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On 30/7/21 4:55 am, Frank Steinmetzger wrote: |
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> Am Thu, Jul 29, 2021 at 05:46:16PM +0100 schrieb Wols Lists: |
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>>> Yea. First the SMR fiasco became public and then there was some other PR |
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>>> stunt they did that I can’t remember right now, and I said “I can’t buy WD |
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>>> anymore”. But there is no real alternative these days. And CMR drives are |
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>>> becoming ever rarer, especially in the 2.5″ realm. Except for one single |
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>>> seagate model, there isn’t even a bare SATA drive above 2 TB available on |
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>>> the market! Everything above that size is external USB stuff. And those |
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>>> disks don’t come with standard SATA connectors anymore, but have the USB |
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>>> socket soldered onto their PCB. |
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>> Are you talking 2.5" drives here? |
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> I meant in general, but – as I said – “especially in the 2.5″ realm”. ;-) |
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> For 3.5″, it’s mostly the low-capacity drives that are affected. Probably |
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> because here the ratio of fixed cost (case, electronics) vs. per-capacity |
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> cost (platters, heads) is higher, so the pressure to reduce manufacturing |
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> cost is also higher. High-capacity drives tend to remain CMR at the mo’. |
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>> The SMR stunt was a real cock-up as far as raid was concerned - they |
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>> moved their WD Red "ideal for raid and NAS" drives over to SMR and |
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>> promptly started killing raid arrays left right and centre as people |
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>> replaced drives ... you now need Red Pro so the advice for raid is just |
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>> "Avoid WD". |
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> Red Plus is fine, too. I think the “Plus” is marketing speak for non-SMR. |
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> Which is why probably SMRs now have the price tag of old CMRs, and the new |
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> CMRs have a “plus” on the price tag. |
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>> From what I can make out with Seagate, the old Barracuda line is pretty |
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>> much all CMR, they had just started making some of them SMR when the |
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>> brown stuff hit the rotating blades. |
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> Seagate made a statement that their NAS drives are not and never will be SMR. |
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> In case someone is interested, here’s a little experience report: |
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> Two days ago, I bought a 2.5″ WD My Passport 4 TB for a new off-site backup |
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> strategy I want to implement. They even killed the rubber feet on the |
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> underside to save a few cents. >:'-( ) Interestingly, the even cheaper |
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> elements series (which is the cheapest because it has no complimentary |
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> sofware and no encryption or password feature) still has them. Probably |
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> because its case design is older. |
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> I just finished transferring my existing Borg backup repos. Right at the |
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> beginning, I tested a small repo of 3 GiB and I got good throughput. After |
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> around 2 GiB or so the drive went down to 10 MiB/s for a very long time |
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> (writing at least another 3 GiB, I have no idea what that was). |
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> I was already pondering my options. But once that was over, I’ve since been |
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> writing 1,2 TiB to the drive with rsync happily without any glitches, |
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> averaging at slightly above 100 MiB/s. I used SMR-friendly ext4 settings and |
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> Borg uses datafiles of 500 MiB size, which greatly reduces sprinkled |
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> metadata writes b/c it’s only a few thousand files instead of millions. |
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> According to smartctl, the drive claims to support Trim, but so far I’ve |
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> been unsuccessful to invoke it with fstrim. First I had to enable the |
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> allow-discard option in the underlying LUKS container, which is disabled by |
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> default for security reasons. But either I’m still missing a detail, or the |
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> USB-SATA-bridge really does not support it. Or it does, but the kernel is |
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> unaware: yesterday I read an article about enabling a flag for the USB |
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> controller via a custom UDEV rule. Who knows. |
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I am using a seagate USB3 backup disk (4Tb SMR) for borgbackup on |
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btrfs. Yes, it works well on regular backups, but its dismally slow |
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for anything else (operations that read or write large amounts of data |
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at once): |
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1. Adding a lot of new data to a repo is extra slow |
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2. btrfs scrub (a couple of days) |
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3. borg repair (days!) |
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I had an unscheduled crash that lost a btrfs segment - scrub showed it |
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as an uncorrectable error so I deleted the file involved and borg repair |
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zeroed that part of the repo so its still ok. On a regular backup run |
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its fine, but if recovery time if you have an error is a real problem. |
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BillK |