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On 30/01/2014 00:14, Thanasis wrote: |
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> on 01/29/2014 11:41 PM Alan McKinnon wrote the following: |
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>> On 29/01/2014 17:35, James wrote: |
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>>> Thanasis <thanasis <at> asyr.hopto.org> writes: |
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>>>> No, because as I said in a previous post, the matter is that when a |
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>>>> newer version 3.10.X is in the tree, and you do an update of the world |
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>>>> set, the newer kernel source of the 3.10.X series won't appear as an update. |
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>>>> You'll have to emerge it again "manually" and likewise "manually" |
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>>>> unmerge the older one. |
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>>> Manual control/determination of kernels may appear overtly |
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>>> clumsy, but it is far better to expend a bit of extra time, manually, |
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>>> than in panic mode; which is why I think you see a lack |
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>>> of feature rich granularity in gentoo related to kernels, imho. |
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>> Plus, the target market for Gentoo is folks who know how kernels work, |
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>> know what they want and know how to enable it without hand-holding. |
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>> If the target market doesn't know how to do this, they almost always |
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>> have the skills *and desire* to learn it, and usually do so very rapidly. |
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>> Add it all up with what you said and you get a complete explanation for |
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>> why gentoo-sources works like it does. |
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> Yea, but I think, this is the case for *all* packages, not only kernel |
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> sources, at least until now, isn't it? |
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No, not at all. |
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Kernels are different and portage treats them very differently. |
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Everything else gets sane defaults that you can tweak if you want to, or |
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leave as-is if you don't. With kernels, you do not have this choice - |
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you MUST tweak and customize it to get something that even runs at all. |
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OK, maybe bootloaders are also a bit special too.. |
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There is no common basis of comparison between kernels and everything |
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else, that is how different they are. Sort of like saying rabbits work |
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like horses because they both have 4 legs. Yes, the bit about legs is |
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true but it also completely misses the point - there's no realistic |
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situation in everyday life where a rabbit works like a horse. |
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You are just going to have to face it - kernels are special. You either |
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deal with them The Gentoo Way, or run Ubuntu. Even genkernel doesn't |
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change this - all genkernel does is defer that same action onto someone |
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else, but the actions remain the same. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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