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From: Bill Longman <bill.longman@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Legacy GRUB vs GRUB2
Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 21:06:20
Message-Id: 4C21213D.7060007@gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Legacy GRUB vs GRUB2 by Volker Armin Hemmann
1 On 06/22/2010 12:29 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
2 > On Dienstag 22 Juni 2010, walt wrote:
3 >> On 06/22/2010 11:44 AM, Dale wrote:
4 >>> Tanstaafl wrote:
5 >>>> On 2010-06-18 12:17 PM, Bill Longman wrote:
6 >>>>> And finally, don't even mention how braindead the "new" improved
7 >>>>> grub is. I wonder how anyone can feel that having to write six
8 >>>>> paragraphs> in some one-off bash-like language, which needs to be
9 >>>>> debugged, is better than four lines in a config file.
10 >>>>
11 >>>> This brings up a question I've been meaning to ask...
12 >>>>
13 >>>> Since I have no desire to experience this new 'improved' GRUB, but don't
14 >>>> like LILO - how long will it be before I'll be forced to make a choice?
15 >>>> Meaning, how long will legacy GRUB still be supported?
16 >>>
17 >>> If I read the home page correctly, they are not really doing much more
18 >>> than bug fixes on the old grub. That was my reading at least. I'm
19 >>> dreading that day too. I sort of like my old grub. I started on lilo and
20 >>> grub has seriously grown on me. I'll switch to the new grub tho. I have
21 >>> NO plans to go back to lilo. None whatsoever ! !
22 >>
23 >> IIUC the change will be forced by mobo manufacturers when they adopt the
24 >> newer partition tables and boot/BIOS methods . They have catchy acronyms
25 >> that I can't remember, naturally, but we've all seen them discussed in this
26 >> group from time to time. Don't buy new mobos and you can stick to old
27 >> grub.
28 >
29 > mobos? why should mobos have any influence?
30 >
31 > And what have mobos to do with the fact that whenever GNU lay their dirty
32 > hands on a project they will no rest until they turned something decent and
33 > usefull into an overly complex, drowned in obscure options and hard to
34 > configure mess?
35
36 Because of EFI firmware, that's why mobos would effect it. Like the Sun
37 Openboot PROM docs say somewhere: "BIOS? We don't need no stinkin'
38 BIOS". Same with the lame x86 status quo. At least nowadays we could
39 have two different versions of it on board and it's not a hardware chip
40 anymore, but, compared to most other intelligent platforms, PC BIOS is
41 pretty braindead.
42
43 Volker, I feel your pain every time I have to use two "--" instead of
44 one "-" on my flags. Does -help take one or two? (I'm sure I can easily
45 start a raging, apocalyptic forest fire by mentioning "man" and "info"
46 in the same sentence :-)

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Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Legacy GRUB vs GRUB2 kashani <kashani-list@××××××××.net>
Re: [gentoo-user] Re: Legacy GRUB vs GRUB2 Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>