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On Sun, Sep 18, 2011 at 6:03 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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<volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> Am Sonntag 18 September 2011, 11:23:43 schrieb pk: |
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>> On 2011-09-18 09:37, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>> > Other systems may start to use it if it proves itself useful. Lucky for |
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>> > us, it doesn't obsolete anything else, just adds functionality to what |
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>> > is already there. |
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>> |
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>> Although, one thing which I find very annoying is that the things that |
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>> depend on it starts dbus-launch/daemon no matter if I don't want to run |
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>> it or not (it's not running acc. to rc-update show but ps -ef shows both |
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>> dbus-launch and dbus-daemon running). I'm using Xfce4 and have Audacious |
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>> installed which depends on dbus-glib, which of course depends on dbus |
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>> itself. No other packages uses it (USE= -dbus). Xfce4 and Audacious |
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>> hasn't used dbus before a certain version (at least it has not been |
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>> mandatory) and I've been using them for years (haven't had the time to |
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>> look for alternatives yet). |
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>> In general I have a problem with packages that pulls in *something* |
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>> which in turn depends on *something else* which in turn... overlapping |
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>> functionality etc. It's quite troublesome to keep, for instance, gconf |
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>> out of my system (masked by me to detect any "upgrades" that tries to |
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>> pull it in)... |
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>> |
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>> In my "world" software (in general) should not become an "obstacle"; it |
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>> is just a tool to accomplish whatever you want it to do. Ideally the OS |
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>> (and whatever interfaces the user) shouldn't consume _any_ resources at |
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>> all (yes, I'm well aware that it's not possible). Resource usage should |
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>> at least be kept to a minimum, otherwise I have to buy new faster |
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>> hardware for each "upgrade" (be it for security, for functionality etc.) |
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>> and if I liked that I could just go with Windows. My whole complaint |
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>> about this udev business is that we're "ballooning" out of control, IMO, |
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>> becoming the "monster" that, I assume, most of us wanted to avoid. |
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>> |
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>> PS. My animosity towards dbus is "historical"; I did use it years ago |
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>> (together with gnome, gconf etc.) which caused me nothing but trouble. |
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>> I've avoided that crap ever since. I do agree that the idea _behind_ |
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>> dbus seems sensible but I'm not so sure about the implementation. |
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>> |
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>> Best regards |
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>> |
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>> Peter K |
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> |
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> years ago? is gnome even using dbus for years? They had their broken |
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> corba/orbit/bonobo stuff. |
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They used ORBit/bonobo during 1.0 and 1.2 series. With GNOME 2.0, and |
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when dbus got stable (1.0), they started migrating stuff to it, but |
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they keep bonobo around for compatibility reasons. With GNOME 3, |
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bonobo is completely deprecated, and everything needing IPC should use |
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dbus. |
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Regards. |
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-- |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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