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On Fri, 12 Feb 2010 00:03:27 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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<volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: |
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>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2010 23:53:10 +0100, Volker Armin Hemmann |
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>> <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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>> > On Donnerstag 11 Februar 2010, Zeerak Waseem wrote: |
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>> >> Particularly when your wm can handle all the inter-app |
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>> >> communication that is necessary without dbus. |
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>> > |
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>> > the problem is the WM can NOT handle all the inter-app communication |
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>> > that is |
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>> > needed by a modern desktop environment. Especially, when you have apps |
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>> > that |
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>> > are just frames around building blocks that have to talk to each other |
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>> > (like |
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>> > for example konqueror, that is just a gui to the dolphin, khtml, |
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>> konsole, |
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>> > gwenview kparts). |
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>> But it seems to me, that the apps that need the communication are in |
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>> DE's. |
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>> Which is fine, I just think that if you're choosing a smaller WM |
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>> (Openbox, |
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>> awesome, JWM, etc.), where there isn't a need for an inter-app |
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>> communication that extensive, then it's a bit of an overkill really. |
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> so how do you propose that a network connection manager tells a broweser |
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> or |
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> mail app that they are offline? |
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> And don't start with sockets. That will result in a nightmare. dbus is a |
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> clean |
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> solution to a huge problem. Apps have to talk to each other. The only |
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> way to |
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> keep it sane is a standardized IPC daemon like dbus. |
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Well how about something with sockets ;) |
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Personally, I don't see a big problem in a network connection manager not |
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being able to tell various apps that they don't have a connection to the |
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internet. If you're offline often you will know it, and if not you have |
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something to look into. |
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But honestly, I don't have a solution to the problem, what I can however |
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say is that my browser and my mail app, are pretty deft at realizing that |
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their attempts to access a server, are in vain, without any network |
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manager to tell them that they're offline. If there is any inter-app |
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communication going on, it's not anything I know enough about to give a |
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qualified guess about. |
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Zeerak |
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