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From: Novensiles divi Flamen <noven@×××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Opinions on Host's Decision Please
Date: Fri, 21 Sep 2007 23:43:18
Message-Id: 200709220851.02883.noven@sincorp.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] {OT} Opinions on Host's Decision Please by Grant
1 On Sat, 22 Sep 2007 08:06:40 Grant wrote:
2 > > > As I have previously posted about, my host sent me an email a few days
3 > > > ago stating that support tickets for 5,000-6,000 of their clients had
4 > > > been broken into. I checked my records and found that my root
5 > > > password had previously been submitted in a support ticket. I then
6 > > > decided I needed to reinstall my system.
7 > > >
8 > > > I requested that my host allow me access to a second machine for 2-5
9 > > > days while I switch over to a clean system, after that I would turn
10 > > > the old system over to them and continue with the new system.
11 > > >
12 > > > My request was denied! I'm blown away by this. Was I asking too much?
13 > > >
14 > > > - Grant
15 > >
16 > > You are probably asking more than their terms of service *require* them
17 > > to provide, especially if they don't believe the leaked information was
18 > > used for any nefarious activity.
19 > > However a reasonable webhost who accepts responsibility for its mistakes
20 > > and values its customers would probably grant such a request as a gesture
21 > > of goodwill - unless they were worried about opening the floodgates for
22 > > every customer to request such treatment, a scenario which would likely
23 > > leave them unable to comply even if they wanted to.
24 > > As a side note, although I agree with all the comments about 'never been
25 > > sure' a system is still clean, did you check whether there was actually
26 > > any root logins to your server not from your IP since the breach? If I
27 > > was in your situation and could confirm that no root logins occurred (via
28 > > ssh, ftp, cpanel, whatever else is running) from other ip's I'd probably
29 > > rest easy just changing my password.
30 >
31 > Wouldn't it be trivial for them to edit the logs though?
32 >
33
34 Good point, that comes down to how your server is set up. My server logs get
35 sent to a dedicated logging host - primarily to agregate logs from half a
36 dozen domains, with the happy side effect of securing logs from webserver
37 breaches. My final comment was a presumptive leap based on my own setup and
38 is invalidated if your logs are kept on the same host.
39
40 - Noven
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