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On 11/22/2014 07:12 PM, wireless@×××××××××××.com wrote: |
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> On 11/22/14 01:20, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Nov 21, 2014 at 7:13 PM, <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> On 11/21/14 17:10, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>> If you want to work on them, you might consider becoming a dev, or |
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>> working on them in an overlay (which is a good way to become a dev, |
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>> actually). |
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> Exactly, I agree. That is why the idea to have a small core of Gentoo |
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> elites (the chosen devs) and move everyone else into overlays, is a |
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> very bad idea. |
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I don't see the argument here. It depends very much on what that |
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actually means. |
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>> You seem to be under the impression that Gentoo devs work on things |
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>> that the Gentoo leadership tells them to work on. That is hardly the |
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>> case, many of our most important packages are also the least |
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>> maintained, because devs work on what they work on, and not on the |
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>> stuff the leadership considers important. If a Gentoo developer |
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>> wanted to work on Java the leadership wouldn't interfere with that |
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>> just as they didn't interfere with a couple of devs deciding to fork |
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>> udev. |
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>> Rich |
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> Not really. I think you misss my points and intentions exactly. Java is |
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> critical and growing. Folks are constantly knocking on the gentoo door |
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> with technologies, that are java centric. Here is the latest one, just |
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> posted to gentoo-dev: |
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> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Android |
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> I tried to participate with the java herd/project. Few have the |
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> authority to close old java bugs. The few that do, are apathetic, |
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> absent or just do not 'give a shit'. I was told to go work |
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> on java bugs, maybe somebody will notice. Really. |
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> The first 100 or so I looked at, are deprecated. They just need somebody |
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> to 'remove them' the BGO java backlog is being artificially used to |
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> prevent java work on gentoo. Somebody of authority needs to open |
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> up java for other folks to work on. Close the 100 oldest bugs |
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> is a no brainer and a good start, yet nobody will do that, and nobody |
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> else is allowed to close them. *CONVENIENT* if you hate java and are |
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> in control. |
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> If this is not true, the the council should open up java bug cleaning. |
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> Worst case scenario, these hundreds of old bugs will have to be |
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> re-filed, with updated data from this decade..... (actually a very |
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> excellent idea in and of itself). |
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> This policy, whether part of a grand conspiracy, or due to apathetic |
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> leadership, has the net effect to run off potential new devs to gentoo |
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> and who like java. |
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> PS. sorry about forking to new threads, my access is now nntp |
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> (earlybird) and it just down not follow the thread correctly. |
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> Rich, I actually appreciate you help. But somebody of authority is going |
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> to have to step into this java on gentoo mess and clean house, |
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> provide leadership and encourage (hell, just remove the roadblocks) |
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> from java on gentoo. |
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> OK? |
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Gentoo has a lot of organizational, technical and social problems. Some |
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of them would just stop existing if we'd move to a more distributed |
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model, because you'd be able to regroup more easily and work on the |
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things you care about without stepping on each others toes. |
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No one would care in such a distributed model if there is one person |
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blocking progress somewhere. They would just move on, regroup around a |
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new overlay and start working there and let that guy/project rot forever. |
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Users would easily be able to pick up what the most community-driven and |
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collaborative overlays are and would support those instead of some idle, |
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stubborn or hard-to-work-with overlay maintainers. |
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In that sense, there wouldn't be a single java ebuild in the core tree. |
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That would totally be a community effort and you wouldn't have to vent |
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that much here, but would be working on java ebuilds instead. |
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Hell, you could even easily fork the WHOLE base-system and toolchain |
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without forking the whole rest of the distro. |
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We don't need more authority, we need less... and we need more actual |
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opensource workflow. Our tools, our organizational model and our |
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workflow are ALL ancient. And they don't seem to work very well, do they? |
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Also see: https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Distributed_Gentoo |