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Walter Dnes wrote: |
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> On Wed, Mar 14, 2012 at 06:15:03PM -0400, Mike Edenfield wrote |
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>> Every machine I run Linux on is a huge desktop system running behemoth |
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>> software (Eclipse, GNOME, Chromium, LibreOffice, etc.). |
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> I have Abiword, Gimp, Gnumeric, Firefox, etc, running just fine, thank |
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> you, on ICEWM. |
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>> He seems to be producing a rather vitriolic, and IMO uncalled-for, |
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>> rant against the simple fact that computers do more stuff in 2012 than |
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>> they did in 1972 and the udev developers are changing with the times. |
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>> This argument falls flat when the author fails to identify what |
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>> he or she considers to be critical vs. non-critical software. Is |
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>> bluetoothd critical? On my laptop it is not. On my main development |
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>> workstation it is not. On my wife's desktop it is because she has |
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>> a Bluetooth keyboard/mouse combination. Should bluetoothd be moved |
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>> from /usr/sbin to /sbin? Along with libglib and libdbus, which it |
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>> depends on? How about usbmuxd, or alsactl? |
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> *YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP* won't boot properly without /usr on /, or an |
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> initramfs. OK, put /usr on /, or an initramfs *ON YOUR WIFE'S LAPTOP*. |
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> I don't have a problem with that. What gets people really upset is the |
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> dog-in-the-manger attitude of "if my complex/corner-case machine won't |
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> boot up without /usr on /, or an initramfs, then by golly *NOBODY'S* |
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> machine will be allowed to boot up without /usr on /, or an initramfs". |
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> My machine does not use bluetooth/other-weird-stuff. udev doesn't need |
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> to find bluetooth drivers on /usr on my machine. Why is udev being |
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> deliberately broken to not work on *EVERYBODY'S* machine if they don't |
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> have /usr on /, or an initramfs? |
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This has been one of my points too. I could go out and buy me a |
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bluetooth mouse/keyboard but I don't because it to complicates matters. |
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Does my BIOS see these devices so that I can access BIOS, you know, |
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press del to enter setup. I have a desktop computer but I use PS/2 |
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connections. Why? It always works even with the BIOS and grub. I |
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might also add, if my keyboard gets further away than my keyboard cable, |
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I can't exactly use the computer since I can't see the monitor any more, |
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not and read anything anyway. |
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I may end up with a init thingy, which I am currently using. Thing is, |
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the first time it breaks and I can't fix it, I'll install something |
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else. I chose Gentoo because I could build a system that has a SIMPLE |
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boot process. Turn on power, BIOS does it's thing, grub loads and I |
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make a selection, kernel loads, init starts. Now, I have one more item |
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that has broken for me before when I had a initfs based distro. If I |
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have to have a init thingy, why use Gentoo? It was one reason I left |
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Mandrake and chose Gentoo. Actually, it was a HUGE reason. I don't |
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want to count the number of times I would try to boot my system and the |
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init thingy fail to work. Thing is, it is MUCH easier and faster to |
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install Kubuntu than it is Gentoo and Kubuntu takes care of the init |
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thingy itself. If it breaks, just reinstall. Reinstalling Gentoo takes |
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way to long for that to be a option. |
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Back to my hole. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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I am only responsible for what I said ... Not for what you understood or |
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how you interpreted my words! |
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Miss the compile output? Hint: |
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EMERGE_DEFAULT_OPTS="--quiet-build=n" |