Re: [gentoo-user] Re: A plea for calm

[b.n.]

David Leverton ha scritto:
> On Tuesday 16 September 2008 23:18:42 b.n. wrote:
>> I am not going to do it because of the treatment I'd be reserved by people
>> like ciaranm, or you, if I only needed help or disagreed with your opinions.
>
> What on Earth makes you think that?

Your behaviour.
The IRC log posted on the r0bertz blog.

Just two examples.

> Volker is certainly not asking for help,
> and he is not merely "disagreeing", but preaching his gospel of lies at every
> conceivable opportunity.  If you don't do that (which is surely wise in any
> case) you won't receive the corresponding response.

This is paranoid behaviour.
To think that there is a "hate campaign" about your little software is 
utterly paranoid. You are not Linux, no Microsoft is doing a "get the 
facts" campaign on you. Actually, I'm pretty sure >99.999% of world 
population just doesn't care about your software. :)

That said, I don't agree with everything Volker says (frankly I saw no 
problem at all with a paludis-only overlay, and I said that before, and 
I don't think there is a "paludis conspiracy" just like I don't think 
there is an "anti-paludis conspiracy"), and Volker's tone was not better 
than yours.

But I'm sure that he talks this way because he's actually concerned 
about your software and the behaviour of your community. And reading 
stuff like the IRC logs of ciaranm (and you defending his behaviour) I 
can't but agree.

None of you was constructive in the discussion. For example, a 
sub-thread went this way: Volker said Paludis is bloated. You answered 
"no it's not". He said "yes it is" and then it became a sensless 
blah-blah "liar-liar". Why don't you just go at your desks, count lines 
of code/features/memory consuption/executable size/whatever fits your 
measures of "bloated" and decide numerically what's bloated or not?

Moreover, as I told you some time ago, the only way to shut up lies is 
*facts*. In software, facts means code. You can take it as, think, a 
contest. He says Paludis is bloated? Let's compare them, and, in the 
meantime, let's aggressively reduce memory consumption! Let's modularize 
it (if it's not already), so everyone can have his pet features without 
complaining. If it's already modular, let's write the appropriate plugin 
and tell him "see how easy it was?". Et cetera. When you will have huge, 
undeniable facts on your side, you won't need to fear any "conspiracy". 
And if someone still denies them, well, let's make those facts even 
huger and more solid -that is, go and code again.

That way you not only will win your flamewars with more arguments, but 
make the life of users better.

m.