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On 01/26/2014 07:30 PM, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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> On 26/01/2014 20:04, hasufell wrote: |
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>> So, not sure where your optimism comes from. |
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> It comes from watching what happens at the end of running emerge, |
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> don't read any more into it than that. Especially not optimism, I |
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> think you might be projecting your own frustrations. |
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That might be true. Mixing stable and unstable has become more and |
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more difficult these days. |
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Starting with USE="-*" on a server (which is a sane thing to do) has |
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become a lot more difficult as well. |
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> A couple of years ago I used to have to manually resolve blockers |
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> about one world update in two. It started becoming a huge PITA |
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> especially as the deps are usually easy to solve - if I can look at |
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> the screen for a few seconds and figure it out, then software can |
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> do the same in milliseconds. Recent portages now do this properly |
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> when viewed from a results-only perspective. |
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> On my machines, that is what I see happening. That is the ONLY set |
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> of FACTS I have to work on; you may have more. |
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> I'm willing to give up 4 minutes while emerge runs so I don't have |
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> to spend many more minutes right afterwards doing manually the very |
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> shit that software is very good at. Whether portage is a complete |
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> pile of dogshit software or not is beside the point. Even if it is, |
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> my 4 minutes still buys me lots <shrug> |
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My pessimism comes from the fact that I wasn't able to communicate to |
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any1 in real life that gentoo and especially portage have a positive |
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usability score. Especially to those who have tried it once. As |
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someone who knows the internals and doesn't read portage messages |
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about conflicts anymore, but digs into the ebuilds directly... I don't |
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have a lot of severe problems to maintain any gentoo system. But it is |
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sad that you need those skills. |
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Usually I tell people to use a desktop profile, never to use |
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autounmask, not to mix stable and unstable branch and not to play too |
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much with per-package useflags unless you are really missing something. |
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Portage does alienate new users a lot. These performance issues add to |
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that. |
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