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Hello Stroller. |
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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 04:04:29PM +0100, Stroller wrote: |
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> On 14 September 2011, at 11:25, Alan Mackenzie wrote: |
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> >> No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute. |
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> >> Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should |
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> >> happen. |
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> >> Shut up and code. Google it, I didn't come with the phrase. |
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> > Just as a matter of interest, how much coding have you done for open |
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> > source or free software? It was conspicuously absent from the CV you |
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> > posted here a few days ago. |
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> That's got nothing to do with it, and it's rude of you to make this |
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> about Canek, IMO. |
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Given how much Canek has been saying about free/open source recently, the |
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attitudes he's been attributing to its developers (which don't accord |
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with my experience of them), and the number of times he's told people, |
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in a manner I find very rude, to "stop moaning and code it yourself" - |
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given all of this, I find it reasonable to question Canek's background. |
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I'm not the only one of us getting irritated by him. |
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I think the word you accidentally left out of your last sentence was |
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"insinuation". I hope, on reading this post of mine, you'll change your |
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attitude. |
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> It's YOU who wants things differently from the planned roadmap, so why |
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> shouldn't YOU code the features? |
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No reason whatsoever. Go back to the earlier posts in this thread, and |
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you'll see this is what I proposed doing, before somebody (I think it was |
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Michael) educated me on what the problem actually was. |
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> There have been a couple of posts in this thread, I don't recall who |
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> made them, who talked of the "1% of users forcing this change on the |
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> other 99%". This is an exceedingly disingenuous argument - it's the |
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> Gentoo users, the objectors, who are the 1%. 99% of users won't even |
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> notice this, because they're using binary distros. |
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I asked if the person causing us the grief had consulted the wider world |
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before making such far reaching changes. The answer to this question |
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was nobody's been able to find out. Of the people who care about things |
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like booting sequences, it would seem the vast majority don't like what's |
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happening. |
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> My inclination is to agree with you. I detest initramfs, but I don't |
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> significantly partition my disks, so I'm unaffected. But if you care |
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> you'd better stop whining and get coding. |
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> It's inexcusable of you to try and turn the problem around and question |
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> Canek's contributions to OSS if you're unprepared to make any yourself. |
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I've been contributing to Emacs in general and CC Mode in particular for |
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10 years. I've been the sole maintainer of CC Mode (the mode used for |
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coding in C, C++, Objective C, Java, Awk, and a couple of others, and an |
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unknown number of derived modes) for around 5 years. Over that time I've |
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spent thousands of hours on the project. My latest release was on |
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Monday, and you can find it at |
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<http://cc-mode.sourceforge.net/release.php>. If you use {,X}Emacs to |
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hack in any these languages, I recommend you to download and install it. |
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Several or many of CC Mode's features have come about through request's |
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from users. They are gratefully received. Some requests, for features |
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which aren't really suitable for the mode, get answered by personal |
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patches to the requesters. Some requests get gently turned down. The |
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idea of slagging off users with "IMPLEMENT IT YOURSELF!!!" is completely |
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outside my experiece. |
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Normally I get credit and respect for this work. |
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> Stroller. |
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Alan Mackenzie (Nuremberg, Germany). |