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Hemmann, Volker Armin wrote: |
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> that is one of the most stupid things I ever read on this list. So users |
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> should never be part of discussions? Their needs? Their opinions? |
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> Also, drobbins continued his attacks even after explained SEVERAL times that |
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> the stuff ciaranm was doing was a) wanted and b) helpfull and c) supervised |
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> by devs. |
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> But he couldn't shut up OR accept that things changed since he left. |
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> Somebody who can not deal with changes, is somebody certainly unfit for |
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> leadership. |
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> Yes, he started gentoo (my first gentoo was 1.0). And compared to the chaotic |
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> times, gentoo is a heaven of stability today. Back under drobbins leadership |
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> it was ok, that the tree was broken or some update screwed your system. |
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> Happened all the time - nobody complained (too loudly). And some day he left. |
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> Things changed. Gentoo is much more stable today. There is no breakage of the |
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> week. No large scale surprising 'nothing works anymore'. A lot of things were |
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> done - without him. |
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> And he comes back and thinks that he can do better? Please - he already has |
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> shown that he can't. He has shown that he will leave projects after a short |
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> while (stampede, freebsd, enoch, gentoo, Microsoft). He has never shown that |
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> he can pull through with a project. |
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With all due respect, the current leadership has not shown they can do |
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any better either. The foundation no longer exists legally. Something |
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that important ever happen when he was here? |
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I do agree that users should have say and be able to express their |
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opinions. If the devs had better social skills, not all but just a few, |
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then maybe some users would express that more. It's just like anything |
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else, only a few makes the rest look bad. |
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As to things breaking in portage, yea, it did happen. Gentoo was pretty |
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new back then and it was expected. I was new back then and I caused |
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some breakage of my own but it was expected to. Code wise, Gentoo has |
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come a VERY VERY LONG ways. It is not just better but hugely better. |
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That doesn't mean that the same would not have happened if he stayed |
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with Gentoo tho. Gentoo was a baby then and like all of us it stumbled |
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until it learned how to walk. Code wise, right now it can run a |
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marathon and win in my opinion. The developers have done their job |
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pretty well but with little social skills I'm afraid. Again, just a few |
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of them tho. |
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Oh, I been here since 1.4 myself. I have been subscribed to -dev, -user |
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and other mailing lists for a long time. I also read the forums tho I |
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don't post as much as I used to. There may be things I don't know but I |
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got a good "gut feeling" that Gentoo needs better leadership than it |
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currently has. |
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My $0.02 worth. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) :-) |
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