Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update

[Trenton Adams]

Sorry, I shouldn't have said, "Here we go again", as that can be
antogonizing, which doesn't help anything. :(

On 1/7/06, Trenton Adams <trenton.d.adams@×××××.com> wrote:
> First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
> *easier*.  At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion.
> But, none the less, it is a good discussion.
>
> On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick <motub@××××××.nl> wrote:
> > Trenton Adams schreef:
> > > Interesting points, but
> > >
> > > On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <abhay.ilugd@×××××.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
> > >>> the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the
> > >>> hood if I so desire.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never
> > >> happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a
> > >> working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds &
> > >> packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage).
> > >> Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally
> > >> depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari
> > >> or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO*
> > >> know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put
> > >>  together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving
> > >>  car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have
> > >> full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :)
> > >
> > >
> > > Well actually, it could happen.  If I had a menu of packages to be
> > > installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm
> > > still customizing my system the way I want.  So once again, you
> > > absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install
> >
> > Just a quick question:
> >
> > Isn't creating "a menu of packages to be installed" part of the install
> > process?
> >
> > If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not
> > "customizing your system the way you want", but rather choosing the most
> > suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition,
> > limiting-- options.
>
> Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu?  Give
> a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
> to do extra packages, or whatever.  Or, even provide a dynamically
> extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
> another CD, floppy, Internet, etc.  So, to not provide a menu would be
> *limiting* as well.  But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
> *only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
> limiting.
>
> Now, I'm just brain storming here...
>
> Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
> gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
> stages of the installation process?  Wouldn't that be ultimate
> flexibility?  I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
> perhaps it already does this!?!?
>
> >
> > If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it
> > must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the
> > installation process no longer "easy", by your definition of "easy"?
>
> Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above.  None the
> less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own*
> menu would be easy.
>
> >
> > Not quite following the logic here.
> >
> > Holly
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