Gentoo Archives: gentoo-user

From: Trenton Adams <trenton.d.adams@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update
Date: Sun, 08 Jan 2006 01:12:12
Message-Id: 9b1675090601071706r3d5b7fffg3b7df627e4a62bb0@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update by Holly Bostick
1 First off all, the install process is only a portion of making gentoo
2 *easier*. At it is kind of a tangent to the original discussion.
3 But, none the less, it is a good discussion.
4
5 On 1/7/06, Holly Bostick <motub@××××××.nl> wrote:
6 > Trenton Adams schreef:
7 > > Interesting points, but
8 > >
9 > > On 1/7/06, Abhay Kedia <abhay.ilugd@×××××.com> wrote:
10 > >
11 > >> On Saturday 07 January 2006 22:00, Trenton Adams wrote:
12 > >>
13 > >>> I like both that my car just works, and I don't have to know how
14 > >>> the pistons go up and down, but that I can also look under the
15 > >>> hood if I so desire.
16 > >>>
17 > >>
18 > >> Thinking on the wrong lines again and what you want can never
19 > >> happen, at least with Gentoo; because Gentoo does not give you a
20 > >> working car at all. It just gives you spare parts (ebuilds &
21 > >> packages), books to read (documentation) and a tool box (portage).
22 > >> Then it tells you to go ahead and make your own car. It totally
23 > >> depends on you whether you want to make it a blazing fast Ferrari
24 > >> or a classy Limo. To achieve anything of that sorts you *HAVE TO*
25 > >> know how the pistons go up and down. If you don't read and just put
26 > >> together the pieces in a random order then you might make a moving
27 > >> car but it will not be a working one. Moral of the story? To have
28 > >> full control, you gotta know how things work inside the engine :)
29 > >
30 > >
31 > > Well actually, it could happen. If I had a menu of packages to be
32 > > installed during some sort of automated install process, then I'm
33 > > still customizing my system the way I want. So once again, you
34 > > absolutely *CAN* have gentoo flexibility with easy of install
35 >
36 > Just a quick question:
37 >
38 > Isn't creating "a menu of packages to be installed" part of the install
39 > process?
40 >
41 > If not, because you did not create this menu yourself, then you are not
42 > "customizing your system the way you want", but rather choosing the most
43 > suitable for you amongst a list of pre-defined-- thus, by definition,
44 > limiting-- options.
45
46 Here we go again, who says that you have to limit it to a menu? Give
47 a menu, but allow a graphical shell during install for those that want
48 to do extra packages, or whatever. Or, even provide a dynamically
49 extendable menu that can grab packages lists from other places, from
50 another CD, floppy, Internet, etc. So, to not provide a menu would be
51 *limiting* as well. But I do agree with you Holly, that providing
52 *only* a *predefined* graphical menu for package installation would be
53 limiting.
54
55 Now, I'm just brain storming here...
56
57 Wouldn't it be beneficial to provide automated graphical installs for
58 gentoo, but provide the option to open a graphical shell at *all*
59 stages of the installation process? Wouldn't that be ultimate
60 flexibility? I read about the new graphical install for gentoo, and
61 perhaps it already does this!?!?
62
63 >
64 > If you did create the menu of packages yourself, and it then is (as it
65 > must be) considered part of the installation process, then isn't the
66 > installation process no longer "easy", by your definition of "easy"?
67
68 Well, this is a side tangent, given my reply just above. None the
69 less, all of *my* installs from the point after I created my *own*
70 menu would be easy.
71
72 >
73 > Not quite following the logic here.
74 >
75 > Holly
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78 >
79 >
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Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update Trenton Adams <trenton.d.adams@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] package conflict on update Abhay Kedia <abhay.ilugd@×××××.com>