Re: [gentoo-user] Wastebin or trash?

[Mick]

On Wednesday 07 Sep 2016 20:51:51 Alan McKinnon wrote:
> On 07/09/2016 19:53, Simon Thelen wrote:
> > On 16-09-07 at 18:41, Mick wrote:
> >> On Thursday 08 Sep 2016 00:47:13 Andrew Lowe wrote:
> >>> On 07/09/16 23:45, Peter Humphrey wrote:
> >>>> Hello list,
> >>>>
> >>>> As I said in the "emerge @system" thread, I've built a fresh ~amd64
> >>>> system
> >>>> on this i7 box. I also created a new user directory for myself, copying
> >>>> in
> >>>> only .bash*, .gkrellm2 and .mozilla.
> >>>>
> >>>> After spending a good long time setting up KDE and friends just the way
> >>>> I
> >>>> like them, the one remaining task was to set up KMail and import my
> >>>> 1000-or- so messages. That worked all right, with just the one same
> >>>> exception as before: KMail's recycle bin is call "trash" in the folder
> >>>> list, but the right-click menu on it offers to "empty wastebin".
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm sure I have all my linguas, l10ns i18ns and everything set up
> >>>> right,
> >>>> so
> >>>> I think I'm just seeing an intermediate stage in KMail development.
> >>>>
> >>>> Is anyone else seeing this?
> >>>>
> >>> 	I'm reading this whilst sitting in Perth, Australia so both should
read
> >>>
> >>> "Rubbish Bin" or possibly "Wheelie Bin"  ;)
> >>
> >> One IMAP4 account of mine shows 'Bin' and another shows 'Trash'.  As I
> >> understand it you need to configure the locale on the mail server.
> >
> > IMAP itself does not have a concept of "Trash", the creation of such a
> > mailbox is the prerogative of the client (unless the server itself feels
> > that the imap client doesn't know what it's doing and moves deleted
> > emails into a different mailbox; not that I've ever seen a mail server
> > do that), therefore changing the locale on the mail server won't help
> > and it is indeed something on the client that needs to be changed.

Yes, you're right. The IMAP4 protocol uses tags to signify deleted messages, 
which until they are expunged stay on the server.

Most mail clients typically move messages flagged as deleted into a 
bin/trash/deleted IMAP4 mailbox (i.e. the representation of a mail client 
folder) if configured to do so.  The name of the mailbox is down to the user, 
if created manually, or down to the presets of the mail client GUI.  If a 
webmail or desktop mail client is used, then the language settings (on the 
webmail server or local PC) come into play.

One of my accounts has GB settings, hence the 'bin' folder.  The other appears 
to have US settings, hence the 'trash' folder. 


> Or maybe wastebin in "empty wastebin" is a simple common noun whereas
> the folder called "Trash" is a proper noun.
>
> KDE widgets in my experience often have oddities like this.
>
> If it's something like that, you may have to find the file containing
> display strings and change it there

This may be a bit drastic.  In my experience changing locale on the local 
client, or the remote webmail server if one exists sorts this out.

Using local Vs server-side subscriptions on Kmail may affect the outcome 
between different clients.
-- 
Regards,
Mick