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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk> wrote: |
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> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 10:37:14 -0400, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>> >> No, by "you know what needs to be done" I mean: code. Contribute. |
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>> >> Become a developer. Make shit happens the way you think it should |
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>> >> happen. |
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>> > You're happy to run an important system service coded by someone with |
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>> > less experience than their dislike of the way things are going. |
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>> Someone with "less experience"? As I said before, Kay has been working |
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>> in udev for more than eight years. I think he's entitle to receive the |
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>> acknowledge of his experience. |
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> Yet you are suggesting that others code the solutions. |
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No, I am suggesting that, if something in the direction of |
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usev/Gentoo/Linux bother someone, that someone has to code up |
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something in the direction s/he would like things to go, or accept |
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what the developers decide. |
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> I'm sorry, but |
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> being pissed off with the current trend in udev is not sufficient |
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> qualification to write a replacement. |
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I agree. I am not "pissed off" by any of the developments in Linux in |
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general and Gentoo in particular in the last few years: on the |
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contrary, I am quite happy with them. |
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>> > Trust me, you would want to run a udev that contained any code |
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>> > written by me! |
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>> No offense man, but I don't know you enough so I "would want to run a |
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>> udev that contained any code written by" you. |
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> Then why have you repeatedly suggested that I and others in these threads |
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> "code it yourself". |
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Because nobody else is going to do it for you or them. That's the |
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point. Either convince the developers to code the stuff to work like |
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you want, or do it youtself. |
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And if you do it yourself, don't necessarily expect the rest of the |
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world will run to use your code. |
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> The solution is not to spit the dummy and write a poorly coded fork, |
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> discarding years of experience. The solution is rational debate so that |
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> those who can and do write the code can do a better job. |
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Mmmh. Not exactly. |
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The "rational debate" happens in the Open Source conferences, |
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developer mailing lists and IRC. The proposed changes are not a sudden |
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outbreak of craziness by one or more developers: is the result of the |
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"rational debate" among them, and of the code they produce. |
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If you don't write code, you can "rational debate" as much as you |
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want, but as long as the ones writing the code are not involved, it's |
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not very useful. And even if the developers are involved, be ready for |
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them to maybe disagree with you. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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