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From: Michael Mol <mikemol@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] PCI video cards, hardware accel, upported by open-source drivers?
Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:47:41
Message-Id: CA+czFiCacYVrnKET7ye=hSVoAd+zQoQC-7CsOHAhEkQJVjuhhQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] PCI video cards, hardware accel, upported by open-source drivers? by Volker Armin Hemmann
1 On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 12:30 PM, Volker Armin Hemmann
2 <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com> wrote:
3 > Am Mittwoch, 11. April 2012, 02:11:35 schrieb Walter Dnes:
4 >> On Tue, Apr 10, 2012 at 06:45:55PM +0100, Stroller wrote
5 >>
6 >> > I'm sceptical over the benefits of upgrading a 4 year old PC (short
7 >> > of ripping most all the guts out and starting again). I know the
8 >> > industry has currently settled on PCIe, but haven't bus speeds
9 >> > increased in the last 4 years? Are all the latest cards compatible
10 >> > with your Dell? If not, then you'll probably end up buying an older
11 >> > model, and then that will be sub-optimal when you want to upgrade
12 >> > your motherboard in a year's time.
13 >>
14 >>   I've posted a snapshot of the Dell's internals on my ISP's personal
15 >> webspace at http://clients.teksavvy.com/~walterdnes/misc/dell2.jpg  Is
16 >> the long black slot PCIe?  What's the short black slot?
17 >>
18 >> > I'm sorry if this reply is unhelpful, but you give a lot of information,
19 >> > and perhaps that means you might be open to considering alternative
20 >> > solutions to the core problem.
21 >>
22 >>   If it's PCIe, so be it.  Actually, a post that prevents me wasting
23 >> money is helpful <G>.  Would PCIe be significantly better on the same
24 >> CPU+GPU, or is it hype?
25 >
26 > a lot, lot lot lot better. No hype.
27
28 One thing worth noting about the difference between PCI and PCIe:
29
30 PCI typically has all devices on the same bus, or on bridged buses.
31 Traffic from one device at a particular instant means another device
32 can't communicate until that first device is done. That means your PCI
33 video card competes with your PCI hard disk controller and your PCI
34 USB card for bandwidth. Two high-throughput devices like DMA-enabled
35 video cards and disk controllers will get in each others' way.
36
37 With PCIe, the data channels (called lanes) are electrically distinct;
38 your video card and RAID card both communicate directly with the PCIe
39 controller, and don't have to wait for a clear channel from each other
40 before they can talk.
41
42 *Logically*, PCIe looks like PCI when you run lspci or similar. At the
43 hardware and electrical levels, though, they're quite different.
44
45 --
46 :wq