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On 04/06/14 15:58, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:21 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote: |
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>> And yes, as devs get lazier (decide to rely on systemd rather than build it |
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>> to work independently of the init system), this will in fact result in |
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>> *users* (read: those lacking the skills to code every program out there to |
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>> work without systemd) eventually being *forced* to switch to systemd. |
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>> That is simply the reality. You can ignore it if you like, but it doesn't |
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>> change it. Forced is forced. |
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> Well, if your goal is to persuade people to change, I'd suggest taking |
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> that to the upower mailing list, since they're the ones who added the |
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> systemd requirement. |
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General misconseption here, let me clarify a bit. |
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Instead, UPower upstream simply dropped unmaintained pm-utils code |
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since pm-utils has been abandoned for years and nobody picked it up |
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during these years. |
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So, UPower didn't add any systemd requiring code, they simply dropped |
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Hibernate/Suspend capability, |
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and left it to other programs (such as systemd). |
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Notice how UPower 0.99.0 doesn't have anykind of systemd dependency. The |
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package simply, by design, |
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isn't a package that does Hibernate/Suspend anymore. |
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Fact that OpenRC doesn't have Hibernate/Suspend support is due to |
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problem in "our end", nobody |
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is working on such code for OpenRC, like there are people working on |
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such code for systemd. |
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> The only thing Samuli did was give non-systemd users a workaround for |
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an upstream problem, and the news clarifying this came out a bit late. I |
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generally intend to switch > over to systemd, but I for one would love |
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for there to be the option to use alternatives. Simply wishing that |
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won't make it happen, and since i don't really intend to use the > |
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alternatives it is a bit hard to get the motivation to help fork the |
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world. That's just the way the wind seems to be blowing these days. Rich |
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You are right as for rest of the mail goes. Nobody can possible expect |
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me to suddently come up with Hibernate/Suspend patch for OpenRC myself. |
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I can state that I have no plans to work on anything like that without |
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getting paid for it, and propably not even then, as I suspect it would |
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be too |
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big task for me to take up. I have no intentions in picking up pm-utils |
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maintainership either. |
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I have no idea how people will do Hibernate/Suspend in the future |
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without systemd, I suspect it will get harder and harder. If I were to buy |
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a new laptop today, I'd propably install systemd on it, to get |
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up-to-date code for those tasks. |
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So yeah, only working with what upstreams provide as a distribution |
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maintainer/packager, and people shouldn't try to dump this somehow on |
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me. Fact that |
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they have some fallback, like upower-pm-utils at all, is something they |
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should be grateful instead. |
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(I hope I didn't mess up quoting in this mail.) |
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