Re: [gentoo-user] [OT] Linus Torvalds on systemd

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Sat, Sep 20, 2014 at 8:46 AM, hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote:
>> • "There's still value in understanding the traditional UNIX "do one
>> thing and do it well" model where many workflows can be done as a
>> pipeline of simple tools each adding their own value, but let's face
>> it, it's not how complex systems really work, and it's not how major
>> applications have been working or been designed for a long time. It's
>> a useful simplification, and it's still true at *some* level, but I
>> think it's also clear that it doesn't really describe most of
>> reality."
>>
>
> He doesn't make an actual argument why useful abstraction cannot be done
> in complex systems.

He doesn't need to; he's not trying to convince anyone of anything.
The reported asked:

"Systemd seems to depart to a large extent from the original idea of
simplicity that was a hallmark of UNIX systems. Would you agree? And
is this a good or a bad thing?"

Linus just answered the question. As for arguments, I think (and of
course I could be wrong) he would say "code talks; go on and make a
complex system with 'useful' abstractions, and then we'll talk". And
BTW, a complex system with "useful" abstractions was the whole idea of
HAL, I think.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México