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From: Richard Fish <bigfish@××××××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required?
Date: Sun, 28 May 2006 07:31:22
Message-Id: 7573e9640605280025j6b0461fbwd3acff14f063dcba@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Upgrading to gcc 4.1: emerge -e world required? by Alexander Skwar
1 On 5/27/06, Alexander Skwar <listen@×××××××××××××××.name> wrote:
2 > >>>if he does not have glib?
3 > >
4 > >>Then he installs it.
5 > >
6 > > so, he should install something he does not need and 'test' it, to satisfy
7 > > your needs?
8 >
9 > Not MY needs, no. But to be able to say that all is fine, when it has been
10 > posted here, that glib is one of the culprits.
11
12 No, this wasn't my point at all. I am *not* arguing that "all is
13 fine". (However I still don't see how you figure that a bug report
14 that shows the exact same problem occurring with both gcc 3.4.6 and
15 4.1.1 indicates a problem with 4.1.1)
16
17 My point is that it is wrong to flame the devs about a problem with a
18 ~arch package. Regardless of any documentation, GWN entries, or
19 anything else anybody wrote, the very fact that gcc 4.1 is in ~arch
20 means it needed wider testing. Here is what the handbook says about
21 the testing branch:
22
23 <quote> (http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/handbook/handbook-x86.xml?part=3&chap=3)
24 The testing branch is exactly what it says - Testing. If a package is
25 in testing, it means that the developers feel that it is functional
26 but has not been thoroughly tested. You could very well be the first
27 to discover a bug in the package in which case you could file a
28 bugreport to let the developers know about it.
29
30 Beware though, you might notice stability issues, imperfect package
31 handling (for instance wrong/missing dependencies), too frequent
32 updates (resulting in lots of building) or broken packages.
33 </quote>
34
35 You complained about a "complete lack of QA", and it seemed quite
36 obvious you were not referring to just the gcc upgrade. Well guess
37 what...~arch users _are_ the QA department! If you are not willing to
38 try out things that the developers *think* will work, without flaming
39 them when you encounter a problem that slipped by, you have no
40 business running ~arch.
41
42 This whole topic of "this-or-that worked fine for me" was a mistake on
43 my part. I was trying to make another point which was that the
44 statement claiming "the upgrade should be incredibly easy..." could
45 have been perfectly reasonable to make. Unfortunately it has been
46 more of a distraction than anything else.
47
48 -Richard
49
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