RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift -slaveryware)

[Bob Young]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Antoine Martin [mailto:antoine@××××××××××.uk]
> Sent: Friday, September 29, 2006 4:04 AM
> To: gentoo-amd64@l.g.o
> Subject: RE: [gentoo-amd64] Re: How To Play WMV (thread drift
> -slaveryware)
>
>
> I am sure you've got the best of intentions, but as far as I know:
> * people are free to choose their vocabulary as they see fit on
> gentoo-amd64.

I'm not saying he doesn't have the freedom to use them, I'm suggesting that
they are inaccurate and their connotations don't reflect the true
relationship between vendors and users, and for that reason their use should
be reconsidered.

>  Especially when they are generally as helpful as Duncan ;)

I agree that Duncan is very helpful, and verbose. However that's a separate
issue from whether or not "freedomware" and "slaveryware" are accurate
descriptions.

> * Gentoo is free software and R.Stallman is the undisputed father of
> free software, if you disagree with the terms that he uses regularly
> himself, why not take it to a FSF list or another discussion forum.

I'm not on a crusade, I'm on this list, and this it where it came to my
attention, so I'm discussing it here.

> This has *nothing* to do with amd64 specifically.

The whole point of human communication is for people to interact, if a
thread is off topic, but clearly labeled, it's trivial for those not
interested to ignore. For those who are interested it may provoke thought or
give insight into the topic they had not previously considered.

*ALL* threads eventually die, regardless of whether on topic or off. As long
as participants are willing to continue replying, what harm is there to you
personally in the thread continuing?


> * I can understand why some people would feel these words are a tad
> strong to describe software, but as I am forced to use "slaveryware"
> everyday to drive my large lcd in 3D (no way around it): I still find it
> a major PITA whenever it breaks (which is often) and so it does feel
> like slavery. There you go, I said it.

When a user (who can't read/write source code) has an OSS app or utility
break frequently, should they feel enslaved?

> Now can we all behave like adults and drop the long winded thread.

Why does it bother you?

> And in the future if anyone re-starts a thread like this one, can we
> just point them to this thread (or the previous one) rather than
> re-hashing the whole discussion everytime.
> Let's agree to disagree and leave it there.

Hmmmm....you don't think Duncan should restrict his use of inaccurate terms,
but you want to restrict what topics I or others should reply to...does the
word inconsistent mean anything to you?

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Regards
Bob Young


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