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Frank Peters posted on Thu, 29 May 2014 17:05:26 -0400 as excerpted: |
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> There may not be any amd64 issues, but there certainly are a lot of |
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> gripes. |
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> For those who operate a pure 64-bit system (no multi-lib), there is a |
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> fair amount of highly useful software that has not yet been updated to |
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> be 64-bit clean. For example, Adobe PDF Reader, Foxit PDF Reader, and |
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> the Intel ICC compiler are still 32-bit. I wish these folks would get |
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> with the modern trends. |
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FWIW, I'm no-multilib as well, but I guess for a different reason. |
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I don't do proprietary and in general couldn't even if I wanted to, since |
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I cannot and will not agree to the EULAs, so non-free software that |
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hasn't been amd64 ported is of no concern to me, except that it's yet |
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another case where authors chose not to respect my rights, so I simply |
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don't use their software. |
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Meanwhile, all the software I actually use has long since been ported, |
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and I no longer even use grub-static, since I've switched to grub2, which |
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builds just fine on amd64. |
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So there's literally no reason for me to run multilib at all, and in |
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fact, when I switched over some years ago, I had already had various |
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problems due to the 32-bit side which I never used except to build |
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toolchain 32-bit support, breaking. As a result, simply switching to no- |
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multilib significantly decomplicated life and resulted in far faster gcc |
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and glibc rebuilds as well, and there was literally no down side |
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whatsoever, except that I had to run grub-static for a couple years. |
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Tho I do still have a 32-bit chroot as the build-root for my 32-bit only |
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netbook. |
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But by policy I don't keep anything private on the netbook and actually |
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don't use it as a NET-book anyway, only connecting it via ethernet here |
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at home. (I never did get the wifi working on it, I tried at one point, |
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but apparently there was some bug in the kernel wifi driver at that point |
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and I couldn't connect, and I simply never bothered since.) So security |
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isn't a huge deal on it, and I actually haven't updated it in a couple |
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years now, to the point that I'd have severe problems updating it using a |
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current gentoo tree due to EAPI upgrade issues, so I'd have to do |
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staggered updates using archived trees. |
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At this point that means I'll probably just do a full from-stage3-rebuild |
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at some point... if I even bother at all. I might actually just hardware |
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upgrade to a 64-bit machine, such that I can use my main system's binpkgs |
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for both machines. |
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Meanwhile, Mark's reason for staying on this list, as opposed to the |
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general user list, are more or less mine, as well. I never actually saw |
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the negatives he saw there, and there was a time when there was an attack |
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on me here, which I'll never forget as it was quite an experience seeing |
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other regulars and lurkers too come out of the woodwork to defend me. I |
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knew a lot of folks liked my posts due to thanks now and again, but WOW, |
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I had no idea I had benefitted THAT many lurkers along with the others, |
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and it was quite humbling indeed to see them post perhaps their only post |
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in years, to defend me! Certainly a life-changing experience! |
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Rather, in my case it is more that I remember the high traffic of the |
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user list and kind of like the lower but perhaps higher quality traffic |
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here, tho at times it's /too/ low traffic, these days. Probably at some |
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point I'll get back to the user list, but if this list were to shut down, |
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I'd still miss it, because while there's not a lot of traffic here these |
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days, the signal to noise ratio really is about the highest I can imagine. |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |