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On 08/23/10 19:26, Olivier Crête wrote: |
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> On Mon, 2010-08-23 at 17:05 +0200, Gilles Dartiguelongue wrote: |
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>> Le lundi 05 juillet 2010 à 08:57 +0000, Duncan a écrit : |
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>> [lots of stuff about bashisms and posix] |
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>>> So let's stabilize OpenRC and be done with it, and /then/ we can debate |
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>>> where we want to go from there. |
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>> YES, let's get it stable. |
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>> However please consider not re-adding bashisms and/or not make it less |
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>> POSIX shell compliant than it already is at light speed. It is a great |
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>> thing that openrc tries to achieve and allows more use of openrc than |
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>> basic desktop/server gentoo usage (think embedded and other distros). |
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>> At least one other distro did this move a while ago (debian) and I don't |
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>> think they will go back. Seeing they are also moving to a dependency |
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>> based init system, they probably could just run a fork of openrc (for |
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>> their init scripts are not exactly compatible with what we do). |
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> Other distributions are going one step further and are going for |
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> shell-free boot. We should follow that lead. |
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That sounds like a really confused bad idea to me. |
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At some point you will have to execute a program with a pre-setup |
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environment and passing some arguments. |
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You could, of course, hack that together manually. It tends to be quite |
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a bit of work to get everything set up right and it's lots of code |
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you'll have to maintain. |
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Or you just let a shell handle it. Does most of the things |
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automatically, has a pretty low memory and startup overhead, and it |
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tends to be quite human-readable. |
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... why would I want to remove a stable, efficient, known-good solution |
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that does what you'd expect it to do and replace it with a new thingy |
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that doesn't provide all the features, is harder to debug etc. etc.? I |
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just don't see any *advantage* from it apart from saying "OMG HAZ NEW |
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FEATRUES" :) |
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(and OpenRC is by far the fastest init script manager I've seen. |
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Performance is really not a good argument against it in this case ...) |
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