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On 12/08/14 05:43, Sven Vermeulen wrote: |
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> Hi all |
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> Just a heads-up for everybody - more information will follow of course. |
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> I have started copying the Gentoo handbooks to the Gentoo Wiki. Through |
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> transclusion and semantic wiki, which is supported on Gentoo Wiki, we are |
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> able to do similar reuse of blocks for the architectures. |
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> Given the low resources we are currently having, I think the move to the |
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> wiki will help us with keeping the instructions up to date. |
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> For now, please do not touch anything in the "Handbook:" namespace of the |
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> wiki as I'm going through the effort of migrating it. |
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> Information on translations and so on will follow. |
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> Wkr, |
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> Sven Vermeulen |
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FANTASTIC! Good job! |
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OK, so, just so you know, the gentoo-embedded-handbook is excellent, but |
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in need of expansion to support either more sections, or a document |
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linked that is more focus on those new to embedded gentoo. I'm not |
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a gentoo-dev, but I'm hoping to include this work on the gentoo-wiki, |
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support the dev that is over the gentoo-embedded handbook, or move |
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it off of gentoo wiki. That is a decision that you and the |
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gentoo-embedded herd need to make. |
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Here is my recent email: |
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On 12/06/14 14:24, meino.cramer@×××.de wrote: |
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> wireless <wireless@×××××××××××.com> [14-12-06 20:12]: |
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>> On 12/06/14 13:38, meino.cramer@×××.de wrote: |
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>>> Hi, |
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>>> recently I bought a great little Linux board: Arietta G25 |
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>>> (http://www.acmesystems.it/arietta) |
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>>> Since I like Gentoo I installed it instead of the provided Debian |
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>>> system. The system I used to compile the kernel is -- of course -- a |
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>>> Gentoo -- Linux PC. |
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>> Fantastic effort there Meino! |
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>> Ok, so looking here: |
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>> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/base/embedded/ |
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>> I cannot determine who is the one to contact to |
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>> get this offering of current information, correctly |
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>> formatted to be included in the "boards" section |
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>> of the gentoo embedded handbook? |
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>> Next point, Meino has offered up a great bit of information |
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>> that surely does not belong in the Gentoo embedded handbook, |
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>> but is a great resource to encourage others how to go about |
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>> hacking away at a gentoo embedded project. So I think the |
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>> original email can be listed somewhere for others newer to |
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>> embedded gentoo hacking, as an example. Where would this |
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>> be placed? Linked to the handbook as "references" or "notes" or |
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>> "appendix 1" or such? |
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>> Also, if there is a format we want folks to follow should the |
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>> gentoo embedded project page have a suggested format to follow? |
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>> Many of those listing in the board section merely contain: |
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>> 1. Board specifications |
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>> 2. /proc/cpuinfo |
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>> Maybe the full possible format (optional for the contributor) |
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>> could have these additional categories: |
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>> make.conf |
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>> bootstrap/init details |
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>> installed packages |
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>> cross compiling details |
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>> Native compiling details |
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>> Special code/hacks included |
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>> (such as netconsole.c) |
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>> Libraries |
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>> ulibC, musl, bionic, glibc |
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>> languages |
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>> Added hardware, such as a relay board to |
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>> power up and down other electronics as an example. |
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>> So, being a long time reader of gentoo embedded, I understand that |
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>> most folks in the gentoo-embedded-project space, are busy and have |
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>> a very deep and strong background in embedded linux. I also understand |
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>> that they do not need a robustly maintained gentoo-embedded-handbook. |
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>> But, if we are to encourage others to learn and develop into strong |
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>> gentoo-embedded hackers, then we should provide a pathway for their |
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>> needs. Expanding the scope of the gentoo-embedded-manual or creating |
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>> an ancillary document, with many more simplified steps, would be |
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>> an excellent first step to revitalizing gentoo-embedded, imho. |
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>> Personally, I'd like to see what the 64Bit arm devs have in mind for |
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>> the Gentoo embedded handbook, or as a minimized full (stage?) offering? |
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>> I've just been waiting for 64Bit arm boards to come down a bit in |
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>> price; ymmv. |
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>> I will defer to the leadership decision of the gentoo-embedded-project |
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>> team. |
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>> sincerely, |
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>> James Horton |
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> Hi James, |
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> *thank you for your kind words!* |
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We're pals right? If so, lifting each other up |
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is very, very important. |
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> If I understand it correctly, there are some things |
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> missing in my initial posting, which are: |
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> cat /proc/cpuinfo |
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> make.conf |
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> Detailed description of the boards hardware |
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good start. It may be sufficient. Let's wait on some |
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wider feedback before you do more than this. OK? |
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> What do you mean with "bootstrap/init" details? |
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> I simply compiled atp1bootsrap (acmessytems version) |
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> and it works...I have the strong feeling off missing |
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> something very important here... |
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http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25232850/difference-between-bootloader-and-bootstrap-loader |
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> I did not hack the kernel ... even the serial debug |
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> connector of the board was not used. |
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Ok, we'll worry about this once we get something officially |
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posted and folks try to use it and have questions. |
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> What is missing to complete my posting? |
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Those categories I listed are an expanded list. You may |
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not need to put something in all of those categories |
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I listed. I am "jamming up" the gentoo embedded project |
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to think about embedded hackers like us. To make provisions |
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for such and give them ample opportunity to work with us, |
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before forming a noobs-embedded-gentoo group that works with |
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new embedded folks and provides much more of a 'turn-key' |
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embedded experience within gentoo. |
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> Best regards, |
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> Meino |
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None may even respond. At that point, I start a new embedded gentoo |
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project, for guys just like us. OK? |
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James |