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Daniel wrote: |
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> Hi, |
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> the installation of Java on Gentoo is the hell on earth! |
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It's a lot easier than it used to be. |
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> - the installation is non transparent |
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Could you elaborate on that one? |
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> - the java-"help"-utils (java-config, java-config-wrapper) are not acceptable, |
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> because you don't really need them |
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Just learn how to use them - that's all. |
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> - the whole solution of installing more than one jdk is bumptious - so not |
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> easy |
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> handable |
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It is. |
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> This meens that it takes long time to install java and that you need to do |
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> some |
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> terrible thinks (e.g. unmasking some packages ... see |
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> http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/java/java-upgrade.xml). |
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The whole generation 2 is not considered stable, thus you have to unmask |
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some packages to get it - it's still in ~arch |
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> This is not the way gentoo should go because this is to heavy for the user |
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> (that mostly just wants to install a jdk :) )! |
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So do it. |
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> So I have collected some points _we_ should think about: |
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> - why is jdk-1.5 still under development? |
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Code built with 1.5 is not backwards compatible (JRE 1.4 can't run it). |
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> - is it really necessary to install an jdk-1.4 and jdk-1.5? - if yes, why you |
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> don't need to install jdk-1.3? |
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Yes - there's currently no code that compiles with 1.3 and doesn't with 1.4. |
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> - gentoo should never make a difference between jdk 1.4 and 1.5 |
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It should. |
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> - java-config should just generate some environment files to set a special vm |
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NO! It was in generation 1 and that was hell, new stuff is a lot easier. |
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> - if an ebuild requires a special vm (why ever, because the api of the jdk is |
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> compatible in most points) it should gnerate a warning, that the vm should be |
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> set to 1.x |
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No, that would break the 'non-interactive' principle of portage. |
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> - it is the problem of the user if there are two java applications which need |
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> different vms (this problem is much easier to solve than installing java ;)). |
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Nope. |
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> I hope you will not understand this bug as an act of aggression - it should |
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> just help Gentoo. |
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A lot of FUD and misunderstanding, nothing more (yet). |
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Krzysiek Pawlik <nelchael at gentoo.org> key id: 0xBC555551 |
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