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From: Joshua Kinard <kumba@g.o>
To: gentoo-mips@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-mips] Reducing the number of the MIPS supported stages
Date: Tue, 06 May 2014 08:10:39
Message-Id: 536898F6.7060404@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-mips] Reducing the number of the MIPS supported stages by Markos Chandras
1 On 05/06/2014 03:07, Markos Chandras wrote:
2 > @kumba: You mentioned too many times that I wanted to "drop" support for
3 > mips3 and mips4. I never said that (I am sort-of tired keep repeating
4 > that). All I said (again) was to reduce the frequency or stop building
5 > them at all. Users can still get an existing mips3/mips4 stage3 and
6 > update themselves
7
8 Maybe it's just my way of interpretation, but in your opening paragraph,
9 even though you said we wouldn't drop support, you did suggest not creating
10 new stages for mips1-mips4.
11
12 Given a sufficiently long-enough time, that effectively drops support due to
13 bitrot. Like I mentioned w/ the 2009-era userland on this Octane, I am not
14 going to even try to update that, simply due to the amount of time it would
15 take, even if I figure the IRQ prioritization bugs out.
16
17 So, my apologies if I read it wrong, but that's just how I see it.
18
19
20 > (picking up a random thread)
21 >
22 > Ok thanks for the replies.
23 >
24 > Ok I think it's safe to proceed with the following:
25 > - Stop mips1 builds (we don't have mips2)
26
27 I'll defer to Matt to chime in to my last message and correct me anymore, if
28 needed, but, I think we'll want to keep either a mips1 or a mips2, but not
29 both. As well as decide whether it's a full stage3 or just a simple
30 stage1/stage2 tarball so people have a base from which to start a port to a
31 new MIPS machine if needed. That can get updated once a year, especially if
32 it's a stage1 which shouldn't take long at all.
33
34
35 > - Reduce the frequency to once-a-year for mips3 and mips4. Updating
36 > these stages every year with catalyst will be a lot of fun ;)
37
38 NAK, At least once every 6 months, and preferably shortly after the .1
39 release of a new major gcc rev, given gcc's absurd compile time now. Gentoo
40 moves fast, and a lot can change in a year.
41
42 Anyone looking to work with older SGI hardware needs something to start
43 from, and if a stage3 is too old, it can take those machines a while to
44 update everything. I know most others on the team don't care for the SGI
45 hardware anymore, but it's still the most widely-available MIPS hardware for
46 hobbyists and tinkerers.
47
48 Otherwise, just e-mail me your mips3/mips4/mips4_r10 spec files, any custom
49 tweaks/changes to catalyst, and any specific instructions you do
50 before/during/after a catalyst build and I'll put the O2 to work if needed.
51
52 --
53 Joshua Kinard
54 Gentoo/MIPS
55 kumba@g.o
56 4096R/D25D95E3 2011-03-28
57
58 "The past tempts us, the present confuses us, the future frightens us. And
59 our lives slip away, moment by moment, lost in that vast, terrible in-between."
60
61 --Emperor Turhan, Centauri Republic

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Re: [gentoo-mips] Reducing the number of the MIPS supported stages Markos Chandras <hwoarang@g.o>