Re: [gentoo-soc] [SOC Ebuild generator project] Introduction and C&C

[Brian Dolbec]

On Mon, 2011-03-21 at 18:37 +0100, darkdefende@×××××.com wrote:
> Fabian Groffen writes:
>
> > How hard do you think it would be to detect that you are actually
> > dealing with one of those?
> >
> That depends on how much the build process differs from the standard way
> of doing things. And as you said if it does a good job in most cases perhaps
> that's good enough.
>

I think that most of the standard ways should be easily detected


> > Why do you think a user knows?

That user could be a dev for the app, but may not be a gentoo user.
Just helping to create an ebuild to get his/her pkg into gentoo.

Probably only if it is web based, and gets auto-submitted to a holding
area that users/devs can review, download, etc.

> >
> Hmm, you have a good point there. If they already know then perhaps it would
> be easier for them to write the ebuild by hand instead.
> So a generator with minimal user input might be the way to go here.
>
> > I challenge you to think of a way to unpack a tarball, analyse its
> > files and then conclude it's aparently a autoconf-based package, so
> > configure, make and make install will likely be the way to do it.
> >
> If you wan't to be my mentor then I'll gladly accept your challenge and
> look forward working with you!
>

Basic ability doesn't sound like much of a challenge to me.  What would
probably be best (and a challenge) is to have some kind of learning
mechanism, that the generator could use to better refine it's detection
and solutions.  After all there is a whole tree, plus many overlays that
can be run through as examples for it to learn from.  (yes I know there
are many that could/should be improved)

There is an app called shogun-toolbox  http://www.shogun-toolbox.org/

that is designed specifically for machine learning.  It has many
interface capabilities including python (which they state has the most
complete documentation).  There is also many examples for it's use.

I personally don't know nearly enough about it to know what modeling
methods might be suitable or even if there is one suitable for this type
of model.  But I think should be investigated.  Implemented this would
have the potential to increase it's success rate over time, reducing
developer load even more.

It is licensed GPL-3


> > This sounds more like making an example, not a use-case that describes
> > how your technique should be used, and why it is really useful/much
> > better than the current way of doing things.
> >
> Indeed. Now that I've thought about it perhaps your suggestion is the
> way to go. :)
>

:) more ideas for thought
-- 
Brian Dolbec <brian.dolbec@×××××.com>