Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: kdelibs insanity

[Mark Haney]

Duncan wrote:
> "Arttu V." <arttuv69@×××××.com> posted
> fecdbac60907301228s1ca607axbb6a6baec4350ee0@××××××××××.com, excerpted
> below, on  Thu, 30 Jul 2009 22:28:17 +0300:
>

> I expect I've saved myself a LOT of trouble over the years, due to a few
> basics like the above sysadmin policies.  With a modern multi-core CPU
> and at least a couple gigs RAM, Gentoo really isn't all that hard to keep
> up, provided you are serious enough about sysadminning to learn how to
> play it smart, not rough.  But that last bit is critical.  Gentoo
> provides the tools and manages the ebuilds, plus a good amount of
> documentation.  But it's not about hand-holding.  Gentoo expects users to
> be able to read docs and learn how to take best advantage of the tools
> provided.  If you're not ready to do that, Gentoo's really not the
> distribution for you.  I read that Ubuntu's pretty decent at making
> things brainless.  That may well be a better choice for those who aren't
> serious enough about their sysadminning to learn what the provided tools
> are and how to use them to best effect.
>

Here's my take on this, since I am OP.  For the last year or two, I've
had, more and more, to go straight to ~arch for 'stable' packages.  This
 isn't so much about KDE4, which I /expected/ to be funky when it was
released, it's virtually everything else.  Unlike some people, or most,
if I read the list right, are already running ~amd64 on their systems.

I am not.

And I do not want to.  What's the point in having 'stable' when
virtually no packages are marked as such any more?  I've been running
qt4.5 for nearly a year now.  Isn't it about bloody time it gets marked
stable?  Hell, IIRC, KDE3.5.10 isn't even marked stable (or wasn't last
time I looked).

I make the comment about it being right for me because I have been
getting the feeling Gentoo is becoming 'Debian v2.0' by just leaving
everything useful in ~arch (or testing in Debian's case).

If it is STABLE, mark it as such.  Don't sit here and tell me, 'Oh just
run ~amd64 widget, it's stable'.

When I started with Gentoo in 2005/6, I could emerge -uD world and know
it'll pull in the latest stable packages and be done with it.  Now, I
have to watch because some packages aren't, some might need a downgrade
of a package, which I have to mask so it doesn't get downgraded, ad
infinitum.

To me, the distro is just feeling kinda sloppy on the back end.  No, I'm
not looking for a 'Ubuntu' experience.  That distro gives me heartburn.
 But, geez, I do expect packages to be moved from testing to stable
slightly more often than never.  I'm not trying to be overly critical
here, but the way things are going, it's getting /harder/ to maintain a
STABLE system now than it used to be.

And, FWIW, on topic, having qt3support globally makes no difference. I
still have a thousand bleeding hoops to jump through to fix all the
asinine blocks and dependencies.


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