Re: [gentoo-amd64] Re: Wayland and X-Window

[Paul Jewell]

I am also concerned by these developments with the likes of udev/systemd
etc, but in the case of xorg isn't the situation a little different? Are
the existing developers of xorg developing weyland, or is it a different
group? If this is the case, then hopefully the development of xorg will
continue allowing those of us who wish, to continue to use it into the
future. I hope this is the case, as this, in my opinion, encourages
excellence in the code. Having no pressure from an alternative leads to
the types of problems you experience with fontconfig.

On 20/10/13 01:15, Barry Schwartz wrote:
> Frank Peters <frank.peters@×××××××.net> skribis:
>> However, what does concern me is that the "Gnome approach" will also
>> be the approach taken by Wayland/Weston, and indeed by anything that
>> is associated with the freedesktop project.
>
> There is a slow tendency to spread out and try to make everything one
> big Gnome, from the kernel up, whether we like it or not.
>
> I have a special problem with freedesktop in general because years and
> years ago I figured out that fontconfig’s pattern matcher is a huge
> mistake, in its very design, and needed to be purged ASAP; I pointed
> out the problem, even wrote a less dysfunctional variant that I use to
> this day, but was faulted for pointing out the problem but not also
> volunteering to take responsibility to fix it. And I was told how
> could it be so bad if everyone uses it? I realize today what happened:
> we are being driven in the free software world largely by peer
> pressure, same as in the Microsoft/Apple world. The computer
> programming culture is badly infected with a be-like-your-peers virus
> (which may also help explain the harassment of women that is becoming
> a big problem in ‘tech’).
>
> I’m worried about Wayland and such because of all this. I want
> quality, and projects that could let fontconfig remain horribly broken
> (unable to find or correctly distinguish different fonts) for years
> and years are very unlikely to provide it. For that reason, for now at
> least, I’d rather resist than try to go with the flow. It is almost
> the kind of ‘dignity’ problem that FSF writing attributes to the use
> of proprietary software; ironic, given that Gnome is still nominally
> (if not in spirit) a GNU project.
>
> Linus, of course, doesn’t get too caught up in that; he’ll tell you it
> sucks, and who is going to win that battle? Linus wins by default. :)
> (I do wish we had a _working_ GNU/Hurd as alternative, but that never
> will happen.)
>
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