Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise resumed again (was Resignation)

[Ciaran McCreesh]

On Mon, 31 Jul 2006 01:38:42 -0400 Seemant Kulleen <seemant@g.o>
wrote:
| On Mon, 2006-07-31 at 06:30 +0100, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
| > Their commit history backs it up all by itself.
| 
| Ppint to specifically what, in their respective histories, proves your
| case.  This is like pulling teeth.

No, the question is what in their respective histories refutes it. And
the answer here is nothing. QA ability isn't something that's assumed,
it's something that has to be demonstrated.

| > | Where is this code being pushed to, exactly?
| > 
| > Users.
| 
| Please note the difference between pulling and pushing.  Pushing
| implies that people who don't want sunrise on their systems have to
| have it and have to use it.  This is not the case.  So, again, where
| is this code being *pushed* to, exactly?

http://www.gentoo.org/news/en/gwn/20060619-newsletter.xml

| > The correct way to push through a large change is part of the
| > developer quiz. There's no excuse for anyone not knowing it.
| 
| Was it really a *large change* that they pushed through?  They haven't
| altered the way anybody does things.  Any developer or user going
| about their normal business does not even have to *think* about
| sunrise.  Not that large a change, after all.

Any developer going about their normal business now has to worry about
an officially approved BMGalike, and whether it's causing the bugs
they're receiving. Any developer going about their normal business now
has to worry about people who know little about the packages they
maintain pushing out content that would ordinarily be covered by their
herd to users via a back route.

| > Would you fly in a plane being piloted by Britney Spears?
| 
| What do I care what the pilot's name is?  

You care whether or not the pilot knows how to fly a plane.

| And how is that relevant to
| the discussion, when you've yet to actually show why any of the
| Sunrise staff is unfit.

To continue with the plane analogy, you don't assume that everyone can
fly a plane until they disprove it by crashing one.

| Furthermore, there were other questions I asked that you completely
| removed from your reply.  Please answer those as well.

They're not relevant to this discussion. We're not discussing what the
right solution is, we're discussing why Sunrise is the wrong solution.
There's a hell of a difference -- as an illustration, most people could
tell you why giving everybody nukes is the wrong way to get peace in
the middle east, but very few could tell you what the right way is...

-- 
Ciaran McCreesh
Mail            : ciaran dot mccreesh at blueyonder.co.uk


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