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W dniu nie, 10.09.2017 o godzinie 00∶39 -0700, użytkownik Daniel |
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Campbell napisał: |
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> On 09/09/2017 12:47 AM, Michał Górny wrote: |
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> > W dniu pią, 08.09.2017 o godzinie 17∶19 -0400, użytkownik Rich Freeman |
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> > napisał: |
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> > > On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 4:05 AM, Michał Górny <mgorny@g.o> wrote: |
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> > > > What do you think about it? Is there anything else that needs being |
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> > > > covered? |
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> > > FYI - if anybody does want to make any comments on the proposed |
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> > > devmanual changes to implement the new tags please comment at: |
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> > > |
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> > > https://github.com/gentoo/devmanual.gentoo.org/pull/72 |
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> > > For that matter, if you want to even know what the proposed changes |
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> > > are you should also visit the link. |
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> > > List replies seem to be discouraged. |
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> > > I realize that some prefer to limit comments to media that are purely |
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> > > open source. I guess the FOSS Linux kernel provided /dev/null still |
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> > > exists as an alternative. Honestly, I'm not sure which of the options |
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> > > are more likely to get read. |
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> > TL;DR: Rich, I would really appreciate if you stopped the flamebaits. |
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> > I understand that you think you're doing Gentoo a favor but you're not. |
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> > The footers were discussed to death in this very thread. I've heard your |
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> > opinions. However, as far as I'm concerned (and as I've pointed out) you |
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> > did literally *nothing* to push your ideas forward for 2+ years. |
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> > Since I've done all the work, I've did it my way and for the reasons |
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> > I've explained multiple times. If you disagree, them I'm sorry but |
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> > in life you don't get to have everything your way. Especially if all you |
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> > do is complain and expect others to do the work for you. |
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> > I understand that you're unhappy and since you have no valid arguments, |
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> > all you can do is try to get more people to support you and shout. |
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> > Revive the bikeshed as many times as possible, try to make a lot of |
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> > noise and block changes. Worst case, you've blocked something you didn't |
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> > like. Best case, you're finally get others so discouraged that they'll |
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> > do things your way just so that you stop. |
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> > Rich, this is not a kindergarten. It's time you learn to lose, |
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> > and accept the consequences. If you can't do that, the door out is open, |
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> > and you're free to leave anytime you want. |
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> This behavior is not befitting Gentoo leadership. Limiting commentary to |
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> a walled garden outside Gentoo control violates one of our goals |
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> (independence), and the incendiary retorts are no more mature than the |
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> behavior you're criticizing. Nothing will change in the way people |
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> respond to you until you learn how to treat others. |
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> By all means, I'm glad we're seeing some action on which tags to settle |
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> with. It's been a mess of confusion ("which tags do I use? Will this |
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> tick someone off?", etc), and will be easier to build on once we figure |
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> out the tags that'll work best. It'll be awesome to get automatic bug |
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> closing from a commit, and I suspect it'll bring a lot of good. Settling |
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> on tags allows us to automate more. However, as a Council member, the |
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> Gentoo community looks to you and your behavior as an example. Is this |
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> the example you want to set for our community? |
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> On the GitHub Issue, you called this mailing list "completely useless" |
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> [1], and then you sent your message above a little later. Would you want |
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> to work with someone who talks to you the way you treated Rich? |
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Yes, I did call it useless *multiple times*, and I've pointed out |
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the problems. Considering they were ignored and the quality of |
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the mailing list hasn't improved, this statement still stands. |
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Rich should have talked to me if he had problems with understanding my |
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comment or missed the context to it. What he did instead is beginning |
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a public stone throwing session. This is not a kind of behavior I am |
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going to accept, or respond kindly to. |
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It's elementary. If you have a problem with me, talk to me first. Not go |
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pointing fingers and shouting 'this person is bad'. |
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> None of this bickering is motivating or inspiring to those who read it, |
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> and leadership should know better than to stoop to this level publicly. |
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> You will not get more developer activity, agreement, cooperation, or |
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> contribution by berating your fellow developers. In fact, Gentoo is |
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> known for its bickering developer community. You are in a position to |
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> change that. You asserted in #gentoo-trustees that the Council *is* |
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> Gentoo's leadership. |
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> Is this your brand of leadership? |
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> ~zlg |
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> [1] https://dev.gentoo.org/~zlg/useless.png |
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> (screenshotted since GitHub conversations can be curated.) |
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I'm not going to answer to your political propaganda. We don't need more |
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politicians like you in Gentoo. We need actual people who do stuff |
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rather than talk about theory to the point when everybody is so tired |
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nobody wants to do anything anymore. |
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Best regards, |
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Michał Górny |