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Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@g.o> said: |
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> On 19:06 Wed 11 Mar , Thilo Bangert wrote: |
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> > > > the presumption seems to be, that as a dev one has to be |
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> > > > available via IRC. it has long been my feeling that Gentoo as a |
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> > > > project could realize more of its potential by better integrating |
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> > > > people who dont do IRC. |
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> I think IRC helps to build a more tightly knit community and, because |
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> of this, is very important to Gentoo. The less close we are as a |
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> community, the more free we feel to be hostile because we don't see the |
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> folks on the other end of the big tube as real people. It's much like a |
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> technique that militaries use during wars to de-personalize the enemy, |
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> except with the Internet, we start that way and have to apply effort to |
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> grow closer. |
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so you say, that presumption is ok? i agree 100% with what you say, but it |
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doesnt (at least directly) address my concern. i think IRC is an excellent |
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medium - the problems i see, though, are related to the fact that IRC |
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requires all stakeholders to be available at the time of discussion. for a |
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multitude of reasons this can almost never be guaranteed. also, even if we |
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did have IRC logs, the signal to noise ratio on IRC is devastating (at |
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least in my experience). |
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for those reasons, i would like to see more bridge-building between the |
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worlds. i didnt want to give examples, as i dont like pointing fingers, |
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but here it is: relengs discussion to switch to weekly autobuilds. |
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presumably there hast been one, but i cant find it in the list archives. |
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not on gentoo-dev@g.o and not on gentoo-releng@g.o - where else should i |
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look? IRC perhaps - well, where are the logs? interestingly, the |
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announcement of the switch has a pointer to the releng project page, which |
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does not even mention the IRC channel. |
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from looking at the releng mailing list one gets the impression that |
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releng in gentoo is dead. its not - i know and am greatful for the hard |
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work everybody in releng puts in - but it makes the releng project much |
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less accessible. to follow, or contribute. |
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thanks for listening |
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kind regards |
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Thilo |