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From: Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for March 26
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2009 18:09:24
Message-Id: 20090326180916.GA29144@comet.livebox.home
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for March 26 by Ciaran McCreesh
1 On 23:23 Wed 25 Mar , Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
2 > On Wed, 25 Mar 2009 23:06:37 +0100
3 > Donnie Berkholz <dberkholz@g.o> wrote:
4 > > > 10) dohard and dosed banned in EAPI 3
5 > >
6 > > I think I missed the reasoning for removing these, particularly
7 > > dosed. pybugz didn't see any open bugs.
8 >
9 > Portage doesn't merge hardlinks correctly, so dohard is bad. And
10 > dosed's been considered deprecated for years.
11
12 I like dosed because I've used it many times for the $D-removing
13 feature. If there was (is?) an automatic filter at install-time that
14 scanned files to remove $D references, that would work for me instead.
15
16 > > > 11) doinclude, newinclude for EAPI 3
17 > >
18 > > Is installing to /usr/include by default useful for most packages
19 > > that want to use this? Or would they /usr/include/${PN}? If you have
20 > > to change it often, aren't you just as well off using insinto/doins?
21 > > Should there be an "includeinto"?
22 >
23 > I'd be inclined to agree on that one, but people seem to be after more
24 > of these do* things.
25
26 I'm still not convinced this one adds anything significant beyond doins
27 by default that it's worth adding. In half the cases
28 (/usr/include/$PN/foo.h or anywhere else vs /usr/include/foo.h), you'd
29 need to customize its install directory and so effectively are just
30 running insinto/doins. Plus it's only useful for ebuilds that have a
31 crappy install anyway, so wouldn't we rather fix the build system?
32
33 > > > 21) REPLACING_VERSIONS and REPLACED_BY_VERSION in EAPI 3
34 > >
35 > > I'm curious why it isn't global. Seems like it would make sense to
36 > > put it near dependencies. Also I could be wrong, but wouldn't you
37 > > want to be able to cache this and show smart pretend output, etc?
38 >
39 > I think you're misunderstanding what this is for. It's to allow
40 > packages to work out whether they're upgrading / downgrading /
41 > reinstalling / whatever, since Zac broke the devmanual-documented and
42 > PMS-required way of doing it using has_version and refuses to revert it.
43
44 Ah, I see. This is the first I'd heard about this anywhere (the problem
45 or the proposal). So running has_version in setup/preinst and again in
46 postinst doesn't do what you'd want anymore?
47
48 --
49 Thanks,
50 Donnie
51
52 Donnie Berkholz
53 Developer, Gentoo Linux
54 Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo Council Reminder for March 26 Ciaran McCreesh <ciaran.mccreesh@××××××××××.com>