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From: Kent Fredric <kentnl@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: killing mediawiki
Date: Thu, 05 Jul 2018 01:30:29
Message-Id: 20180705132610.37ff0944@katipo2.lan
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: killing mediawiki by William Hubbs
1 On Wed, 4 Jul 2018 12:44:11 -0500
2 William Hubbs <williamh@g.o> wrote:
3
4 > Yes I would benefit from this change, but it is not a case of optimizing
5 > for one. It is a case of opening up the use of the wiki to the largest
6 > audiance possible. This is just good universal design.
7
8 Unfortunately, my experience with wiki's indicates that's not really an
9 option we have.
10
11 There are lots of different formats, sure, but lots of those formats
12 reduce to being restrictive, declarative formats, where "content" is
13 stuffed into a range of formats predefined in the markups syntax.
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15 This ultimately ends up *restricting* the range of *visual* tools at
16 our disposal for distinguishing details on a case-by-case basis, by
17 forcing all details to adhere to a universally simplified scheme.
18
19 While I do appreciate the difficulty presented to people with
20 sight-impairment, I'd opt primarily for choices that help them
21 *without* compromising the range of options we have for visual
22 distinguishers.
23
24 Just as it stands, a syntax that is represented as a simplification of
25 HTML via templates, where new terms can be created in terms of HTML,
26 and where raw HTML can be used in a pinch, tends to make the best of
27 these options for unimpaired people.
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29 Its a shitty situation all round really, because as best as I can tell,
30 there's no choice without some painful compromise for somebody.
31
32 So while a universal design is an admirable goal, I fear in practice it
33 will have the same results as what "universal interfaces" achieve:
34
35 A reduction in net functionality because the more interesting/advanced
36 functionality is out of the reach of some users.
37
38 ( Yes, yes, I'm aware of my sight-privilege talking )

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Re: [gentoo-dev] rfc: killing mediawiki William Hubbs <williamh@g.o>