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(There are several things in here and what I'm looking for is discussion |
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and education) |
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I've been playing with my system configuration lately so that I can gain |
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a deeper understanding of the features of the portage system. |
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I'm currently using portage-2.0.51_pre13, so I'm assuming this version |
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and higher for the purposes of thsi discussion. |
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One of my goals is to have a minimal world file that only contains the |
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applications that I want installed on a system and when combined with a |
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specific profile and /etc/portage/virtuals - (to set things where I |
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don't like the defaults i.e. postfix for virtual/mta) would allow me to |
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rebuild / maintain a fairly clean system. |
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During all of this I removed syslog-ng from my world file which led to |
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the following bug report <http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=57787> |
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about vixie-cron not having a runtime dependency on virtual/logger. |
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Anyhow, this led me to start thinking about the system profiles. |
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Neither cron or a system logger are in the system profiles, yet having |
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many years of Unix/Linux administration experience, they are a fairly |
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vital part of a "normal" Unix/Linux system. |
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My conjecture for why they are not in the system profile is because they |
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are not required to operate a system and since Gentoo is about choice we |
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are not going to dictate a specific version of cron or a specific system |
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logger. |
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This is where stackable profiles and virtuals come in. To me these |
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applications are part of a normal default Linux installation (be it a |
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server or workstation) and should be considered part of the system |
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software and I see a couple of ways to approach this. |
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The first and simplest is that virtual/logger and virtual/cron be added |
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to the system profile. If this were to happen, the defaults (dcron & |
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sysklogd for default-x86 profiles) would be installed during the |
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installation process. |
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If I don't like those defaults, I could unmerge the defaults and emerge |
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the software I did prefer after the installation. Kind of blech type of |
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solution to me. The other alternative is to setup /etc/portage/virtuals |
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to override the defaults prior to installation. |
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The second way based upon what I've read is to use a stackable profile. |
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Unfortunately, I can't find any implementation documentation on them, so |
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I don't know if portage supports them and if so, how to use them. It |
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seems to me though that with a stackable profile, I could add those |
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pieces of software that I consider to be part of the system but are not |
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required to run the system to *my* system profile. This allows Gentoo |
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to keep the default profiles small with only the required software, and |
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allows me the choice to expand upon what is provided by Gentoo. |
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Finally dependencies, since I have been writing and tinkering with |
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ebuilds at what point do you stop adding dependencies to the ebuild. To |
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be anal about it would be to add everything back to glibc. That is |
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obviously not the case and the assumption that I've been making is that |
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if it isn't in the system profile and it is required to build/run the |
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package then it should be listed as a dependency. That was my reasoning |
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for filing the above bug. As a system logger isn't required by the |
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system profile and vixie-cron requires one to run, it should be listed |
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as a runtime dependency. In this case, I was told politely that I was |
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nuts since "There's no reason for vixie-cron to rdepend on |
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virtual/logger". I obviously disagree with that assessment, which is |
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why I'm asking the question. (Side note: I don't have a lot of |
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heartburn with the bug report being rejected, although I do feel it is a |
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valid bug or I wouldn't have submitted it. My opinion is that if it is |
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not going to be addressed, the resolution should be WONTFIX instead of |
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INVALID) |
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If you've read this far, thanks for reading and I appreciate any |
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thoughts, ideas, etc on all of this. |
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Regards, |
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Paul |
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