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J. Roeleveld posted on Sun, 07 Sep 2014 17:51:46 +0200 as excerpted: |
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> On Sunday, September 07, 2014 01:16:57 AM Andrew Savchenko wrote: |
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>> Hello, |
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>> On Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:15:53 +0800 Patrick Lauer wrote: |
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>> > On Sunday 31 August 2014 11:39:22 hasufell wrote: |
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>> > > Martin Vaeth: |
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>> > > > hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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>> > > >> On 08/30/2014 02:35 PM, J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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>> > > >>> For net-im/skype, |
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>> > > >> |
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>> > > >> Screw skype. |
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>> > > > Please don't. Not all communication partners are linux users. |
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The (in)?famous network effect. A network grows in value based on the |
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number of users it has... |
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>> > > Tox is multiplatform [but] pre-alpha [...] |
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FWIW, this subthread was the first I had read of it, tho I saw an article |
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in the press about it since. The early 4chan involvement is |
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interesting. This should be rather less controversial but at the same |
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time potentially far more (semi-)permanently effective than the LOIC |
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stuff. Good for them! =:^) |
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>> > So it doesn't work [...] |
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>> Can't agree with you here. I just tried tox (utox client) from |
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>> tox-overlay. Works like charm from the box [...] |
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>> I tested text messages, audio and video from double-nat environment |
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>> (where SIP clients can work only using stune and only some of them). |
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> It probably works, provided all your contacts also use it. |
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> As long as the vast majority of my contacts use Skype and Yahoo, I will |
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> not be able to switch. If Kopete (and other generic IM clients) would |
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> add support for tox, then it would be easier. |
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That was the point above about not everyone being a Linux user (aka |
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network effect), tho it seemed lost by the point of your parent post even |
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if it was still quoted, so thanks for re-making it. |
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Of course not all users do servantware either and skype's simply not an |
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option for them. FWIW that includes me, no matter what my comm-partners |
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might use. But the network effect remains valid. I simply can't join |
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that network, network effect or not. So I can certainly identify with |
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the screw skype sentiment since that's demonstrably their attitude toward |
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potential users who actually care about their rights. |
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>> It should be noted that at least in Linux skype is much harder to |
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>> install and use since it requires pulseaudio and I don't use that sh^W |
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>> stuff. So skype reqires its own LXC container set up which is doable, |
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>> but costed me a day (with all tight isolation stuff). And I even had |
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>> not mentione that installation of skype equals to trojan injection into |
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>> the system (that's why I used all that LXC and separate X server |
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>> precautions). |
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> If you want to isolate a package, then yes, it is more difficult then |
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> just running " emerge skype " (Which works flawlessly for me). |
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> I also had no issues installing pulseaudio. (Apart from having to undo |
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> some alsa-settings to default to the normal audio output instead of the |
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> HDMI one). |
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> Which trojan injection are you talking about? |
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I'd guess the no-warrant-NSA-trojan that skype is pretty much known to |
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have, given the Edward Snowden and etc. revelations, when it *HAD* been |
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claimed to be "secure". |
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In theory there's at least shreds of the law that was supposed to protect |
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US citizens left, if only shreds, but there's been no candy-coating the |
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fact that if you don't happen to be a US citizen, they felt no |
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compunction whatsoever. Whatever US citizens may feel about it then, |
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certainly for everyone else in the world it's a trojan, period. That |
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some g-men injected it (or forced MS to) is immaterial, when it wasn't |
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/their/ g-men. |
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(FWIW I'm a US citizen and I'm none-too-happy about the NSA's actions |
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either, but obviously I'm in the minority as Obama got elected after |
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retroactively authorizing otherwise law-breaking actions, etc, and few if |
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any other politicians who voted for that or any of the other shenanigans |
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seem to have been kicked out due to it either, so what can I say?) |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |