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From: Peter Stuge <peter@×××××.se>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names
Date: Mon, 14 Jan 2013 14:39:35
Message-Id: 20130114143927.29496.qmail@stuge.se
In Reply to: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names by "Steven J. Long"
1 Steven J. Long wrote:
2 > What I'm not in favour of is making the simple cases more
3 > difficult, to deal with the complex ones. It's completely
4 > brain-dead thinking.
5
6 This is exactly what some people think or say when they learn that I
7 use Gentoo.
8
9 I appreciate Gentoo because I am able and willing to control my system.
10
11 Users of other distributions are either not able or not willing or
12 both, and thus they find Gentoo completely brain-dead. That's fine.
13
14 I don't have to care about them when deciding what I will run.
15
16 I hope the analogy is clear.
17
18 If the kernel changes it's network device naming policy, please talk
19 to the kernel developers - it seems counterproductive to expect that
20 some distribution will bend far f-ing backwards in order to provide
21 you the same experience that you were used to with the old kernel.
22
23 It seems equally counterproductive to expect or demand that udev will
24 change (or not change) the way you want it to, if you are not one of
25 the core developers.
26
27 William is packaging upstream udev for Gentoo.
28
29 You are shooting the messenger.
30
31 If you do not like what udev is doing, then step in and PARTICIPATE
32 in that project, or in one of the competing projects. (I wish there
33 wouldn't be so much fragmentation, but the NIH syndrome is mighty.)
34
35 The task of distributions is to deliver a composite of upstreams.
36
37 The task of distributions is NOT to deliver an immutable system where
38 internals are magically updated with all the latest developments and
39 fixes, except for all the latest developments that make any sort of
40 visible change because those require an administrator to work.
41
42
43 I think that if you have a requirement for an extremely stable
44 environment, to the point where network interface names matter,
45 then you need to take significant responsibility to *create* that
46 environment *yourself*. You can't really rely on distributions to
47 do that for you - that's not part of their value proposition.
48
49 I would suggest to leverage the fantastic Gentoo tools and portage,
50 in order to create your own distribution which suits your needs.
51
52 Open source is only ever successful when you own your problems.
53
54
55 //Peter

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: call for testers: udev predictable network interface names Kevin Chadwick <ma1l1ists@××××××××.uk>