Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [RFC]: gentoo-politics ML

[Alexander Gabert]

Kent Fredric schrieb:

...

So you are saying that the person is not the problem but the problem is 
the problem.

The person has personally attacked me after i simply concluded that he 
should maybe change his attitude to make a better impression on 
gentoo-dev and Gentoo developers.  This guy is trolling for years and he 
enjoys and knows it all too well.  The gentoo-dev mailing list can be 
transformed to a technical mailing list again with setting up a 
gentoo-whatever mailing list where people like him can be the king with 
the crown and "be right" about their stuff.

This is what this thread is all about.  Giving someone a place where he 
can do what he can do best: being complicated.
Not the issues or problems are complicated.  The people are.  Why not 
discuss this?

However, i will let him be right forever and ever there as long as he 
leaves me and my Inbox alone.

I didn't address him personally when i said that people actually do NOT 
read "criticism" on the -dev list, which in his case always boils down 
to some kind of demanding but in fact simply error-prone and 
miscommunicating flame war accelerant and that it was a good idea to 
offload that stuff to a separate list.  What a stupid prick.  All he had 
to do is aggravate.  And he still does.

He can be "right" there on his little castle mailing list all the way he 
wants where he wants how he wants but i don't want to be included in 
this or informed about him being right or being whatever he likes.  I 
simply refuse to take part in his trolling for the rest of his presence 
on this list.  I cannot unsubscribe because Gentoo devs are supposed to 
communicate with people in here.  So either offload him or he will be 
the constant provider of unrest and stress (as now for me).

As far as i understand it, the gentoo-dev mailing list is not a place 
for people starting flamewars or discussing things they are "right" 
about.  It is a technical discussion list.  I don't understand why this 
priority is not enforced.  This is also the reason i am allowed to write 
this email here.  I am allowed to reply to congestive and unproductive 
bullshit on the gentoo-dev list.  Because even when the -dev policy is 
enforced some devs start claiming we are suppressing freedom of voice 
and information- and the negative and useless trolling continues for no 
reason and positive effect.

I think that discussing problems & issues without discussing the damage 
done by the negative influence of certain people is always possible as 
long as the person is not the problem or offers cooperation and 
competent social skills.  But in this case my problem is this specific 
person, and it cannot be solved by turning it into an "issue" how to 
deal with persons in general.  Nobody behaves like that and gets no 
sanctioning or punishment.  In fact his behaviour is an all-time 
precedence case for somebody coming into a community, threatening and 
treating people very bad and getting protected by common netiquette, 
only the other way around.  He already became this case when he left 
Gentoo and since then started riding one dead horse after another.

He personally attacked others for a long time.  He got attacked and he 
started campaigns like a hero fighting ancient dragons.  Well, actually 
he's more like Don Quichote.  He is always right but he is only one and 
the people who are always "wrong" is unfortunately always the majority.  
He enjoys standing in the spotlight.  He lives from the fame he gets for 
making people upset, self-conscious and worried about the outcome of 
some of the more heated discussions.  Working at Gentoo is fun as long 
as this person keeps out of the way of developers trying to volunteer 
for a great project.  It's just a blessing to have a week without a 
flamewar started by him.  Perhaps we should sponsor him a vacation on an 
island without access to public IP networks.

There are others like him and there will be others after him.  There 
were even people doing that before him.
Even this email is troll feeding because he will have witty conclusive 
dogmatism and ironic remarks he can spit back at me now.  Feeding, 
feeding, feeding.


Alex

PS: I take the pet project personal
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