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From: Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation
Date: Tue, 22 Nov 2005 19:09:32
Message-Id: 20051122190426.GD16984@bmb24.uth.tmc.edu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Decision to remove stage1/2 from installation documentation by Ciaran McCreesh
1 Ciaran McCreesh wrote: [Tue Nov 22 2005, 12:17:47PM CST]
2 > On Tue, 22 Nov 2005 12:03:49 -0600 Grant Goodyear <g2boojum@g.o>
3 > wrote:
4 > | I keep hearing this, isn't there a real difference between a stage 1
5 > | and a stage 3 install inasmuch as somebody who needs (or wants) to
6 > | dramatically tailor what's in the system profile can choose to do so
7 > | from a stage 1 or 2, but would have to remove packages after the fact
8 > | if starting from a stage 3? I wouldn't have a problem with that, as
9 > | long as we document it
10 >
11 > emerge -e world && emerge -e world && emerge depclean
12
13 Cool. Why rebuild twice? Any chance we could add this to the FAQ?
14
15 > | but it just seems that the claim that the old and new methods produce
16 > | _exactly_ the same results seems to be stretching things a bit.
17 >
18 > How do you think stage3s are built in the first place?
19
20 Sorry, poor phrasing on my part. Of course it's true that if one
21 follows the handbook (either the current or the previous version), then
22 one ends up with the same system regardless of whether or not a stage1,
23 stage2, or stage3 is used. What I intended to suggest was that
24 tinkering at the system level is less obviously accomplished when
25 starting from a stage3, so the occasional assertion I've read that
26 starting from a stage 1 or stage 2 provides no benefits over starting
27 from a stage 1 or 2 didn't seem right to me.
28
29 In any event, I don't mind the handbook changes, although I'd perhaps
30 like to see the FAQ for starting from a stage 1 fleshed out a tad, such
31 as including a paragraph of why one might not want to do that. Perhaps
32 steal from whomever posted a treatise on the issue some time ago (either
33 rac or avenj, I don't remember which)?
34
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