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Jakub Moc wrote: |
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> 22.11.2005, 20:57:15, Chris Gianelloni wrote: |
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>>The idea was to move out the stage1/stage2 docs to somewhere else. Then |
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>>create some sort of "Advanced Installation Topics" guide or something, to |
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>>list out the replacement procedures for customizing a system from a stage3 |
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>>tarball, then, eventually, drop the stage1 and stage2 tarballs. |
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> Erm, did you read what solar wrote about hardened stages and why should stage1 |
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> still stay? |
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>>I was working on the idea of doing it all in stages. The "problem" occurred |
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>>from people freaking out because they didn't bother reading the entire news |
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>>blurb that tells exactly where the instructions moved to, plus links to the |
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>>bug # and discussion. There's also this nice section in the Handbook. |
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I'd point out that this was not well executed as a major change should |
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have been. We talked of major package changes, apache config changes, |
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of package breakage. Then one day you up and remove what some consider |
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a vital part of installing with no warning. Announcements earlier |
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noting the pending removal of tarballs to say, g-announce and this list |
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would probably have stifled much of the complains ( see the news hit |
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gentoo-wiki, gentoo-portage, and the community ). Otherwise yeah, you |
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will get a knee-jerk reaction, many users think you just screwed them |
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out of something. Nevermind the fact that they are wrong and uninformed |
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( in most cases ) you did a crappy job of conveying the message of what |
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when and why. |
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>>"A stage3 tarball is an archive containing a minimal Gentoo environment, |
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>>suitable to continue the Gentoo installation using the instructions in |
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>>this manual. Previously, the Gentoo Handbook described the installation |
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>>using one of three stage tarballs. While Gentoo still offers stage1 and |
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>>stage2 tarballs, the official installation method uses the stage3 |
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>>tarball. If you are interested in performing a Gentoo installation using |
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>>a stage1 or stage2 tarball, please read the Gentoo FAQ on How do I |
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>>Install Gentoo Using a Stage1 or Stage2 Tarball?" |
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> That FAQ section has nothing in common with the original stage1 docs. Sorry, |
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> installing stage3 to remove all the use flags cruft subsequently, bootstrap and |
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> re-emerge the system and then ponder which packages are not needed any more |
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> (again, there's no reliable tool to remove unneeded stuff from system, I've |
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> already mentioned this once) - hmmm... :/ |
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> And - once stages 1+2 are removed (as you are suggesting above), then I'll |
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> install the system only to build my own stage1 w/ catalyst, then reformat and |
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> start over with my own stage? Ah, that makes live sooo much easier ;p |
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Personally if releng is already making stages 1 and 2 for the liveCD's I |
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see no reason not to give that work away to the community. Stick it in |
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some unsupported/ section on the mirrors and tell people so. Why throw |
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away the work you did making the liveCD? Can you quantify the number of |
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bugs here? |
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-Alec Warner (antarus) |
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