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Tom Wijsman posted on Tue, 22 Jul 2014 23:47:48 +0200 as excerpted: |
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> On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:37:17 +0000 hasufell <hasufell@g.o> wrote: |
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>> afaiu dynamic deps are broken and not defined in PMS |
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> It goes a step further than that! |
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> The PMS imposes certain limits on dependencies; it states that DEPEND |
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> must be present before executing src_* phases, that RDEPEND must be |
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> present before treating the results as usable and that PDEPEND must be |
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> done before finishing the batch of installs. |
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> http://dev.gentoo.org/~ulm/pms/5/pms.html#x1-750008.1 |
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> If you attempt to fit in dynamic dependencies in that specification; the |
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> src_* phases could never run, the results can never be considered usable |
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> and the batch of installs can never finish. |
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How long have dynamic-deps been around? Since EAPI-0? Because if so, |
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that interpretation must be incorrect, since EAPI-0 was defined as |
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portage behavior at the time, and AFAIK, no EAPI since then has been |
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approved without a working portage implementation. |
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In the context of dynamic-deps I'd interpret the above to mean within a |
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single portage session. What happens some sessions later when an |
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ebuild's deps are dynamic-updated after a tree sync is an entirely new |
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session, and unless I'm missing something, the above PMS requirements can |
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be met within a single session with dynamic-deps. |
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>> still... people seem to fix deps without revbumping, causing users who |
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>> either don't use dynamic deps (it's optional for portage through |
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>> --dynamic-deps=y, although it's on by default) or who use a different |
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>> PM to not get the fix, at worst resulting in broken dependency |
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>> calculation |
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> Why do we have a PMS if we don't take into account other PMs? |
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> Is Gentoo still a meta distribution? How does the Portage tree portage? |
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This remains a valid question. |
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(FWIW, after some cleanup I set dynamic-deps=n in defaultopts, and did my |
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last update, about nine days after my last sync and update, without |
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dynamic-deps. We'll see how it goes longer term. Tho I guess people |
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like me who have been running --newuse --deep for ages are half-way-there |
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already.) |
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-- |
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Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs. |
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"Every nonfree program has a lord, a master -- |
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and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman |
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