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From: "Rick \\\"Zero_Chaos\\\" Farina" <zerochaos@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council constituent meeting 30 July 2013 at 19:00 UTC
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2013 00:57:09
Message-Id: 51EDD4F1.9030006@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-dev-announce] Council constituent meeting 30 July 2013 at 19:00 UTC by Rich Freeman
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4 On 07/22/2013 07:05 PM, Rich Freeman wrote:
5 > On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 6:35 PM, Rick "Zero_Chaos" Farina
6 > <zerochaos@g.o> wrote:
7 >> The council really doesn't have the ability to just instantly vote on
8 >> things outside of a meeting. The transparency of the body requires
9 >> announcements about meetings, and their topics, with a reasonable amount
10 >> of notice. It simply isn't possible to maintain these things and have
11 >> the flexibility to instantly vote on things. Emergency action can be
12 >> taken by many bodies, devrel, userrel, but the council is not expected
13 >> to be the "quick fix" for things.
14 >
15 > I find it interesting that the Trustees, which are a legally regulated
16 > body, can take action between meetings, but we feel that the Council,
17 > which is not a legally regulated body, cannot. Legally the foundation
18 > can even take action without any of the trustees present (it just
19 > requires a LOT of members to support it).
20 >
21 > I'm not suggesting that we should just issue rapid decisions in the
22 > middle of a flamewar. However, if we feel that all sides of a debate
23 > have spoken we can perhaps announce a pending decision on -dev,
24 > evaluate any responses, and then vote. Council members who do not
25 > feel sufficient time has passed to evaluate the situation can vote to
26 > postpone the decision. In order to pass a majority would still be
27 > needed, so if 2 people vote aye, 3 vote nay, and 2 vote delay, then we
28 > delay until one side or the other obtains a majority (as with any
29 > body, the default is basically no action until there is a majority in
30 > favor).
31 >
32
33 I think the real difference is that most of the devs don't care what the
34 foundation does as long as it keeps the lights on around here. Most of
35 us, on the other hand, seem to care greatly about the development
36 process and key decisions around that. If the trustees need to take
37 emergency action to keep the lights on I trust them to do the right
38 thing. If the council has to take emergency action to allow systemd
39 units to be added without maintainer approval.... well, you see how
40 stupid that sounds?
41
42 - -Zero
43
44 > I don't suggest that this should be the ideal method of operation. I
45 > just see it as an option. It wasn't even my idea...
46 >
47 > Rich
48 >
49 >
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