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From: Jakub Moc <jakub@g.o>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification
Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 09:12:24
Message-Id: 44893A0C.9070500@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification by Patrick Lauer
1 Patrick Lauer wrote:
2 > On Thu, 2006-06-08 at 20:06 -0400, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
3
4 >> Again, read what I wrote. I said that the developer would see "sunrise"
5 >> in the PORTDIR_OVERLAY of the user's emerge --info, which you reiterated
6 >> without considering. This is a login bug. At no point did they make
7 >> mention of having installed pam_skey from this overlay. This means that
8 >> I, as the developer getting this bug, am now responsible for looking at
9 >> *every package* in the sunrise overlay to determine if *any* of them
10 >> could *possibly* be affecting this package or causing this bug, then
11 >> asking the user if they have any of them installed.
12 > This differs from a manually patched ebuild in /usr/portage by virtue of showing you that an overlay is used ...
13 >
14 >> Wouldn't this process be *infinitely* easier if instead of "sunrise"
15 >> there was a "pam" overlay with *only* the pam stuff?
16 > Ooooh, cool. Now I need about 75 overlays to get things done, and of course there will be no bad interaction between them ;-)
17
18 Please, leave pam_skey alone. ;) It's a thing I'm using daily and the
19 default system-auth config file installed by this ebuild allows for both
20 system and S/KEY passwords to be used at the same time, you can pick
21 whichever one you want. There's no way to get yourself locked out of
22 system unless you've already forgotten your normal password and didn't
23 yet set up OTP, in which case, it's not pam_skey problem at all.
24
25 The thing has been sitting in bugzilla for ages, I've asked Flameeyes to
26 commit it and he said he's not going to put any mode pam stuff into the
27 tree unless he's using the modules himself. Nothing wrong w/ that. So, I
28 can either keep on maintaining it in my local overlay or let other
29 people use it if they find it useful. I prefer the latter. pam_abl and
30 pam_mount is also stuff that I'm testing/using myself. The only thing I
31 haven't tested beyond "it compiles and installs" is pam_pgsql, that one
32 doesn't touch system-auth at all, comes w/ commented-out .conf and so
33 has no effect until the user has configured it.
34
35 There are about 3 other bugs requesting pam stuff, but since that stuff
36 is essentially dead upstream, it won't be in the overlay. So, are you
37 asking to have a separate overlay project for 4 pam ebuilds? Heh, really
38 an overkill.
39
40 > Could be part of the policy to not touch existing ebuilds.
41
42 IMHO the sunrice project is a good place for maintainer-wanted/needed
43 bugs. Shouldn't be a dumpspace for whatever experimental patches for
44 stuff that's actually being maintained in the main tree.
45
46 >> This is a prime example of totally glossing over any discussion to make
47 >> it sound promising for you.
48 > If bugzilla wasn't so sucky people wouldn't try to use other methods of
49 > communication ;-)
50
51 Erm, look at the vmware-server bug
52 (http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=122500) . It's vastly useless
53 for grabbing any ebuilds, there are ~350 comments and tons of obsolete,
54 yet not marked as such ebuilds, that's why you switched to subversion,
55 right? And it boosted the effectivity by a huge margin. Also comes w/ a
56 nice side-effect of not bugspamming another 200 folks CCed on the bug
57 when someone screws w/ attachments for a couple of times.
58
59
60 --
61 Best regards,
62
63 Jakub Moc
64 mailto:jakub@g.o
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69 ... still no signature ;)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification "Diego 'Flameeyes' Pettenò" <flameeyes@g.o>
Re: [gentoo-dev] Project Sunrise thread -- a try of clarification Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@g.o>