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On Monday 04 May 2009 18:54:09 Vlastimil Babka wrote: |
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> Peter Faraday Weller wrote: |
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> > On a more serious note, the problem seems to be the complete lack of |
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> > management in the required places, Gentoo is fast becoming (or more |
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> > likely, already is) an anarchic organisation, where it's becoming |
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> > nigh-on impossible to keep track of things. |
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> > |
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> > I see a number of issues with Gentoo these days. The lack of a proper |
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> > leadership body. Lack of people working together in unison. The tree |
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> > needs to be sorted out: we have >16000 packages, and 200-250 developers, |
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> > not all of which are ebuild developers) - We're still using CVS, we do |
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> > *not* have the manpower to keep all the packages updated properly using |
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> > a centralised VCS. If these issues were fixed, I don't know/care how |
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> > they do get fixed, but if they were, I might consider coming back. |
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> |
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> Hi, |
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> |
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> am I the only one to see a contradiction here? You criticise a |
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> centralised VCS and anarchism/lack of unison work at the same time. |
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> Wouldn't that be even worse with a distributed VCS then? :) |
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I dont think so. Centralized or distributed VCS does not have to do anything |
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about the hierarchical structure of Gentoo. |
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> I think it would. Also too much use of overlays seems bad to me |
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Depends of course on how each team/dev uses the overlay. Some of us use the |
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overlays as testing places which is much better than pushing ebuilds directly |
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to tree without extensive testing :) |
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> (yeah |
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> the Java team is very guilty here :) and the idea of splitting tree to |
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> overlays (which pops up from time to time) is just nonsense IMHO. |
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+1 |
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> |
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> It seems that some people think distributed VCS (git) is a silver bullet |
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> that will fix everything? |
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Certainly it will help development a lot. Take a look on git overlays ( qting- |
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edge,kde-testing etc ). The commit and bugfix rates are incredible because the |
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VCS is amazingly fast. Using cvs, you need at least 2' for a simple commit of |
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a single ebuild. Using git you can push 300 ebuilds at the same time. Imaging |
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the difference... Git is an extra motivation ( at least for me :/ ) |
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> Or pushing more and more EAPI's will? |
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No... As I said before Gentoo is quite understaffed. First we need people. Then |
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we can concentrate on features :) |
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> If more people agree on the lack of focus, then we should do something |
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> about it, instead of hoping that using better tools fixes it themselves. |
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Any ideas? |
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-- |
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Markos Chandras (hwoarang) |
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Gentoo Linux Developer [KDE/Qt/Sunrise/Sound] |
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Web: http://hwoarang.silverarrow.org |
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