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On Thu, 2008-01-10 at 22:21 +0200, Petteri Räty wrote: |
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> William L. Thomson Jr. kirjoitti: |
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> > No clue on ETA. I will take a peek/poke at it. I need to double check, |
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> > but pretty sure icedtea might still need sun-jdk to build. Even if that |
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> > is not the case, things like the plugin and other non-open aspects |
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> > aren't available yet in icedtea. So there is still much left to be |
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> > desired. |
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> The whole reason for icedtea to exist is to have a version of OpenJDK |
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> that doesn't require sun-jdk to build. |
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Right but when we have discussed it in the past, the dep of sun-jdk was |
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the de-motivator. Pretty much per your words in a past August |
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meeting[1-2]. |
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"(16:46:07) wltjr: I am clueless to it all, just picking up on tid bits, no clue on requirements |
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(16:46:16) wltjr: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IcedTea_%28software%29 |
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(16:46:21) Betelgeuse: icedtue builts just fine with Sun Java |
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(16:46:26) Betelgeuse: but that beats the point of icedtea |
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(16:46:31) wltjr: lol :) |
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(16:46:36) vladsharp: wltjr: the last time I checked, IcedTea? needed gcj working |
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(16:46:45) vladsharp: Betelgeuse: yes.. |
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(16:46:56) Caster: sounds like geki's job :P |
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(16:47:10) Betelgeuse: eventually icedtea stuff should be merged back to OpenJDK proper |
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(16:47:19) Betelgeuse: so IcedTea? would never really make into main tree |
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(16:47:28) Betelgeuse: as such I am not interested in putting effort to packaging it |
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(16:47:38) Betelgeuse: but others feel free :)" |
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Granted I believe things have changed since, but are not 100%. |
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gcj is not even official maintained by any Gentoo Devs atm. No where |
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near close to being added to tree. Much less in the same overlay as |
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openjdk. Not that it's in bad shape, but there is no syncing or |
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collaboration there. But seems moot, as IcedTea should not require gcj |
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to build. If I am reading the upstream docs correctly[3]. |
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> You can also have a plugin with the use of gcjwebplugin. |
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Even the plugin lacks allot of plugin functionality per the previous |
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link[3]. They claim basic support. Kinda makes me think about gnash wrt |
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to Flash there. Sure there is an open source Flash player plugin, but |
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can anyone really use it all the time? Not really, so not sure if |
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applets are the same with gcjwebplugin. I doubt one could use that in |
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all places a normal Java plugin would be used. |
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Not to mention gcjwebplugin is another project[4], not part of IcedTea. |
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They are just using it. I don't know if IcedTea is shipping it or is |
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available on it's own? Seems integration is still in progress[5]. If on |
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it's own, I don't believe there is a gcjwebplugin ebuild floating |
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around? |
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What about Java Webstart? Which is almost used more than the plugin on |
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the desktop these days, for some. Seems they are using another external |
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project there? But I can't find reference or mention, atm. Is that a |
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complete project as well? Not sure. |
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1. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Summary |
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2. http://overlays.gentoo.org/proj/java/wiki/August_2007_Meeting_Log |
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3. http://icedtea.classpath.org/hg/icedtea/file/6cb15624ed1d/README |
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4. http://www.nongnu.org/gcjwebplugin/ |
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5. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/IcedTea#head-f4ea0ed1739c747de59e7b55d241cc8d9d574165 |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |
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