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Ciaran McCreesh wrote: |
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> On Thu, 15 Mar 2007 14:11:49 +0000 George Prowse <cokehabit@×××××.com> |
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> wrote: |
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>>> If you think that that's all a package manager should do, you have a |
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>>> serious lack of imagination. Most users need or would heavily |
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>>> benefit from far more. See http://ciaranm.org/show_post/95 for some |
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>>> modest ideas that have turned out to be useful. |
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>> All well and good (and I agree that those would be nice) but none |
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>> that today's average Gentoo user is going to notice as a "major |
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>> visible improvement". --depclean has improved dramatically so the |
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>> --uninstall will be just another way of doing it. |
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>> |
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> I think you're massively underestimating the requirements of the |
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> average user, what with the tree as complex as it is these days. Most |
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> users now: |
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> * Have to use external repositories |
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> * Have to handle at least some keywording overrides themselves |
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> * Have to have some way of managing huge metapackages |
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> * Have closer to a thousand than a hundred installed packages |
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> * Aren't involved in development work |
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> * Expect their systems to work |
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> These are very different use cases than those for which Portage was |
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> designed. |
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So where is the "visible improvement"? |
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>>>>> Sunrise is the canonical example. Also consider the way the forums |
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>>>>> are being run (like it or not, the forums are taken by many to be |
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>>>>> representative of Gentoo's user base)... |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> |
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>>>>> |
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>>>> It seems to most that the forums is the only part of Gentoo that |
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>>>> is - and always has been - running smoothly |
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>>>> |
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>>>> |
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>>> Smoothly is not productively or effectively. |
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>>> |
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>> But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look how fast they |
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>> ban the troublemakers and trolls. Maybe they should control the |
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>> lists...? |
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> And look at how much development work goes on there. If the forum mods |
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> were in charge, reporting QA violations would get the reporter banned |
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> for a "personal attack" and "trolling". |
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>> Methinks you should "sheath your swords for lack of argument" on this |
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>> one (Henry V - Act 3 Scene 1) |
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> So now you're quoting Shakespeare as an argument? |
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Nope, as a suggestion. Note the "lack of an argument" part and the quote |
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you missed out: "But they do it VERY productively and effectively - look |
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how fast they ban the troublemakers and trolls". |
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