[gentoo-dev] sunrise, a temporary compromise

[Mike Doty]

All-

We've had a discussion about sunrise and have reached a compromise.
Someone will summarize it later, I've attached the raw logs for now.
Until the council makes a firm decision about non-gentoo hosted
overlays, this will be the defining method of dealing with them.

There will be a summary posted as soon as someone finds the time.

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Kugelfang sure
KingTaco ok
KingTaco so, regarding bugs
KingTaco Inoverlay is ambigous
KingTaco so, I'll state that at this point it shouldn't be used for sunrise
brix it should be used for official overlays
Kugelfang true
KingTaco [sunrise-overlay], not being an "official" overlay yet,
shouldn't be in the bug either
KingTaco I thought we were going to be quiet for a minute
brix sorry
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KingTaco however, when there is a bug in bugzilla where the ebuild is
hosted on sunrise stuff, it is appropriste to put a link to the source
KingTaco everyone agree?
plasmaroo Changes should go both ways IMO
genstef so changing URL is valid or not?
brix KingTaco: what about the TLP page?
KingTaco it removes any perceived legitimization while still privindg
the link to the stuff
KingTaco brix, I'm going to get to that
plasmaroo Link should go into comments, not URL
brix ok
KingTaco plasmaroo, yes, if I didn't explicitly say that, yes
genstef Kugelfang: changing URL is valid or not?
KingTaco genstef, you following me?
genstef KingTaco: changing URL is valid or not?
plasmaroo genstef: We just said no, pay attention.
KingTaco the URL field should link to the sources, not the ebuild
genstef ok
KingTaco or the upstream project page
plasmaroo (Meaning, *not sunrise*)
amne what about updating outdated information as in bug 136344? if they
link to it they should take care it's not broken (imho)
jeeves amne: http://bugs.gentoo.org/136344 enh, P2, All,
d@×××××.org->maintainer-wanted@g.o, NEW, pending,
x11-themes/gtk-engines-rezlooks ebuild
KingTaco ok, regarding the proj/ page
KingTaco amne, shhhhh
plasmaroo amne: Hang on a few.
amne (sorry)
KingTaco now, I don't see a reason to remove that content, if there is a
good possibility that the project will be moved to an "official" gentoo
overlay status
KingTaco however, it should be noted that the project is suspended
KingTaco it should be obvious
KingTaco that said, there is a continueing effort for sunrise outside of
gentoo and I feel it would be a disservice to those users who want to
use the overlay not to be able to find it
plasmaroo A suggestion from me: change gentoo-sunrise trac and add a
fat-ass "this is not official, trademark property of Gentoo, bla bla
bla, we are not associated, bla bla bla"
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KingTaco so, while it is suspended, there shall be a link to the
unofficial page
plasmaroo Right now you're using the Gentoo trademark and not saying that.
KingTaco plasmaroo, shhhh
brix KingTaco: but linking to the unofficial, unsuspended overlay
defeats the whole idea of having suspended the overlay in the first place
KingTaco we're getting to that
plasmaroo brix: Yeah, but we can't really restrict devs from free speech
or whatever
plasmaroo It's the association that counts, not the fact of existance.
brix plasmaroo: we can, however, restrict links from our official TLP pages
plasmaroo I guess.
KingTaco brix, there isn't any reason to prohibit linking to external
sites.  however, there is a compromise here
plasmaroo The issue is association rather than linking outright.
plasmaroo Right: We are suspended, see gentoo-sunrise.org for more
details. Right now Gentoo does not support this period. Wrong: Our
project website is here: ...
KingTaco in able to link to the sunrise server, it should be prominantly
displayed on all sunrise pages that it is unofficial and that bugs
should not go to gentoo bugzilla
KingTaco plasmaroo, while intrupting me, is correct
KingTaco now, everyone speak
plasmaroo genstef: So, can you change the sunrise pages?
KingTaco unless I hear some valid objections to what I say, this is how
it's going to be until the council makes a firm decision
brix KingTaco: ok
genstef Note: We are suspended on gentoo but the project continues
unofficially on gentoo-sunrise.org
plasmaroo That sounds sane to me as well, I second that.
brix KingTaco: works-for-me
genstef ok?
KingTaco genstef, that sounds fine
amne KingTaco: what i wanted to say before, considering linking to
sunrise is OK, they should take care to update their links in bugzilla
then too (see 136344, it points to the suspended overlay, which is the
worst case scenario)
plasmaroo Please add "Any bugs must not go to Gentoo Bugzilla but to the
sunrise tracker/whatever."
brix perhaps a link to the summary of the Council meeting?
KingTaco amne, correct, but I feel that genstef would do that anyway, as
it only hurts sunrise users
genstef plasmaroo: that is already in the FAQ, no bugs for sunrise at all.
KingTaco so, everyone cool?
genstef KingTaco: we cannot really update bugzilla comments  :(
amne KingTaco: appearently it's not been done yet  ;-)
KingTaco genstef, no, just add a new link when you clean up the bug
genstef ok.
KingTaco amne, dude, we just decided how to handle this 30 seconds ago
plasmaroo genstef: Okay, so if you link to the FAQ then that would be nice.
genstef plasmaroo: link to the FAQ where?
KingTaco someone with better english than I want to summerize/log this
and send it to the world?
plasmaroo On sunrise pages I suppose
plasmaroo KingTaco: If somebody else doesn't get to it by tomorrow sure
but it's getting late here  :)
KingTaco the last thing that I have to say is that when/if the council
makes a firm decision, it will superceed anything we set forth here
brix KingTaco: of course
genstef updating the project page
amne KingTaco: the outdated links have been there since the project was
suspended, that was my point  ;-)
plasmaroo genstef: danke
tantive__ wow
brix genstef: please add a link to the summary of the Council meeting?
tantive__ so everyone is happy again?
jakub amne: yes, we can't wipe bugzilla comments, they'll be there
forever...
genstef brix: ok, will do
plasmaroo tantive__: I hope so
KingTaco amne, I'm confident that the sunrise people will make the
nesessary corrections... if after a couple of days you still find a bad
one, please let genstef know
brix genstef: thank you
tantive__ thanks everyone
KingTaco surely
tantive__ and not lets get back to work
tantive__ (or to bed)
plasmaroo :]
KingTaco s/t/w
amne jakub: i know, but update - which i hope will happen now
KingTaco ok, I'm going to send a raw log to -dev
brix will the whiteboard and keywords of the bug reports be wiped clean?
KingTaco brix, yes, they are not to be used at this point
brix KingTaco: ok, I'm happy then
brix thanks all
jakub please, be so kind and only wipe the relevant ones
tantive__ yeah
tantive__ halleluja
plasmaroo Ok, great.



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