Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ?

[Martin Schlemmer]

On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 01:16, Luke-Jr wrote:
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> This seems to be opposite of my reply I just sent :)
> I would agree that man-pages (and maybe man also, but many packages depend on
> it without mentioning it in DEPEND) should probably not be in system (along
> with all other documents). In fact, it would probably be a good idea to make
> a 'man' and 'info' USE flag and only install manpages/infopages when they are
> set.

Man pages is an integrate part of a system in my opinion - how anyhow
are you going to tell them to RTFM if not there :P

> ext2/ext3 are still considered Linux native, so that may be justification for
> their inclusion in system, if not for the fact that reiserfs is a bad idea
> for a /boot partition... I wouldn't have any objection to their removal from
> system, though.

e2fsprogs provide /sbin/fsck ... 8)

> If rsync is in system, it probably should be removed. Portage could quite
> easilly just install it when the user tries to sync if need be.

So we devs are going to start moaning because we have rsync installed ?

> hdparm, fbset may also be neccesary for system usage in some cases. I would
> agree that 'less' does not belong in system, though.

Hmm, i would not agree 100% 8)

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$ PAGER=foo man gcc
sh: line 1: foo: command not found
Error executing formatting or display command.
System command (cd /usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man &&
(echo ".ll 11.1i"; echo ".nr LL 11.1i"; echo ".pl 1100i"; /bin/gunzip -c
'/usr/share/gcc-data/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.3/man/man1/gcc.1.gz'; echo;
echo ".pl \n(nlu+10") | /usr/bin/gtbl | /usr/bin/nroff -Tlatin1 -c
-mandoc | foo) exited with status 127.
No manual entry for gcc
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But then I guess man pages is not needed, right :)  Question is, is
'more' needed there - that I would say no, but then I feel 'less' is
more the default ...

> To exclude network related programs from system, one would have to modify
> baselayout to use the nonetwork initlevel by default logically, and I don't
> think that would be too simple (and might require a 'network' USE flag).
>


In general the 'system' profile have everything that should be needed to
get a system functioning at a minimal level, with then a few extras that
we found to be annoying in general.  Take perl - sure its big, but
automake is a perl script ..... is automake required on a Gentoo box ?

All in all, most things in there is after careful thought - and should
be removed after 10x more of 'careful thought'.



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> On Saturday 23 August 2003 08:34 pm, Yuri Enshin wrote:
> > Hmm... May be, extend your question?
> > Some users know all about linux, so no reason to include man and
> > man-pages in system.
> > Some users never change default console font or keyboard layout, so no
> > reason to include kbd or console-tools in system.
> > Some users have no ext2/ext3 partiotions, so no reason to include in
> > system e2fsprogs.
> > Some users never use 'emerge sync' (only download snapshots), so no
> > reason to include rsync.
> > Some users never use less, hdparm, fbset...
> > Some users have no network on computer at all, so no reason to include
> > any network related programs in system.
> > I can continue this list.
> >
> > The reason for dhcpcd *in* system, IMHO: support for dhcp client - part
> > of universal, standart set of full-functional network-ready computer.
> >
> >
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Martin Schlemmer
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer
Cape Town, South Africa