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From: Duncan <1i5t5.duncan@×××.net>
To: gentoo-dev@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-dev] Re: Getting Important Updates To Users
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2005 01:25:17
Message-Id: pan.2005.11.01.01.20.44.778547@cox.net
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-dev] Getting Important Updates To Users by Stuart Herbert
1 Stuart Herbert posted <1130785533.10547.41.camel@××××××××××××××.org>,
2 excerpted below, on Mon, 31 Oct 2005 19:05:33 +0000:
3
4 > The original problem is that GWN, forums, planet.g.o, gentoo-dev - even
5 > together, we've seen that they just don't reach enough of our user base.
6 > Aren't we just going to reach the same people by putting more news in
7 > the same old place? How is that going to reach the people we're not
8 > reaching today?
9
10 There is /one/ way to reach /everyone/ doing an upgrade (well, those that
11 do emerge -a or -p, anyway, and those that don't, well... they apparently
12 /like/ being left in the dark, and doing perhaps risky upgrades without
13 knowing what's going on, so let's not disturb their "enjoyment" <g>).
14
15 That ONE way: Push a "null" portage -rX upgrade to both stable and ~
16 versions, the sole purpose of which is to print the *VITALLY* *IMPORTANT*
17 *ANNOUNCEMENT* as an einfo both after the "upgrade", and as part of the
18 "portage will stop merging at this point and recalculate" message one gets
19 with a -p or -a. (For double-sure effect, make the first emerge action
20 after the upgrade /only/ print the message, doing nothing else. Further
21 emerges would then go back to normal behavior.)
22
23 Because emerging portage always stops an ongoing emerge to recalculate
24 what's left after the new portage is merged, that should mean virtually
25 everyone should see it. For a one-shot, vitally important message,
26 that'll be seen by more than anything else. If it's not important enough
27 to do this, than it's probably not all that important, for those who
28 aren't making an effort to follow news anyway, after all.
29
30 That should address the "reaching people who aren't reading anyway"
31 problem. Once it is settled what the single point of news delivery will
32 be, if it's considered to be important enough to reach /everyone/, even
33 those who don't follow current news outlets to see it, this would be the
34 single most effective way to do it.
35
36 This is rather the "nuclear option", yes, but it should demonstrate the
37 point. There's a point beyond which it's simply not worth worrying about
38 whether a message gets out or not. A point at which one can say, "Open
39 your eyes and read, and you have nothing to bitch about if you simply
40 refuse to do so!" If the message is put out to all the usual outlets
41 (it's already out here, put it in GWN and on the front page of gentoo.org
42 and on the forums and on the announce list and posted to the user list),
43 that's gotta be considered "good enough", unless it is decided to "go
44 nuclear" using an approach similar to the above. Anybody not getting the
45 message after delivery to all /those/ places... should be considered not
46 WANTING to get the message, as they've demonstrated just that by their
47 actions, if not their words.
48
49 --
50 Duncan - List replies preferred. No HTML msgs.
51 "Every nonfree program has a lord, a master --
52 and if you use the program, he is your master." Richard Stallman in
53 http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2004/12/22/rms_interview.html
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