Re: [gentoo-dev] Apache build

[Josh Ockert]

No, it isn't a user error. The default configuration for Apache 2
*and* Apache 1.x let you change your DocumentRoot without having to
create a specific <Directory> section, as they are covered by
<Directory />.

"My guess is that the original Apache2 config files that we ship were designed
to look like the older Apache1 configuration files."

Eh? You don't ship any *original* Apache2 config files AFAICS and no,
they look nothing like the older config files.

Occasional? This guy had a major attitude problem:
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10098
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=22192
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8620
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2487
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=578
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=729
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7852
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8085
etc etc.

Very definitely an "I'm right and you're wrong and I won't even bother
explaining it to you because you're obviously inferior to me and you
won't understand" attitude. Glad he's gone.

I didn't say Apache was *already* mentioned by name. I simply said we
don't want it to be. You'll notice two things about this: first of
all, there is no real way to express an explicit *current* wish for
the future. It is semantically incorrect to make the modal
future-tense, because it is a current wish, and as it is modal, you
cannot add tense to its argument (it's an infinitive). Second, you'll
also note that English uses something called the "close future" tense
which is identical in conjugation to the present tense. For example:
"I'm going to the store" doesn't mean that you are _at the moment_ en
route. Similarly, "I'm biking the Kalhaven Trail this Sunday" doesn't
necessarily imply that you are biking today and that "this" (ie, the
current day) is Sunday. Many diverse languages have this, languages as
different as French and Chinese. (In fact, in Chinese using the
present with a temporal AdvP/SPrep/whatever is the *primary* method of
expressing the tense of the verb)

On Sun, 6 Jun 2004 20:00:27 +0100, Stuart Herbert <stuart@g.o> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 05 June 2004 16:28, Josh Ockert wrote:
> > As far as the developer no longer being with Gentoo, this was not
> > apparent. I suppose I could have searched for the information, but it
> > didn't occur to me that doing so was important. Simply the fact that a
> > dev could be so abusive on a bug report scared me away from it -- I've
> > read and submitted several bug reports on Mozilla (Seamonkey and
> > Phoenix/Firebird/Firefox) and I've never seen such an attitude from
> > devs.
>
> If you look hard enough through *any* bugs database, you'll find occaisonal
> responses that seem (or are!) impolite.
>
> > The webapp glep is a good idea, and I realize that the config file
> > scheme helps with vhosts,
>
> There are no changes in the existing config files for the webapp GLEP.  I'm
> holding off submitting the changes for Chuck's approval until our
> vhost-config tool is finished.  The planned changes are minimal, and will be
> well documented.
>
> My guess is that the original Apache2 config files that we ship were designed
> to look like the older Apache1 configuration files.
>
> > Other people also dislike this and have had problems with it:
> > http://braindamage.alal.com/archives/gentoo-user.old/20030901/0802.html
>
> This one is a user who changed his DocumentRoot but didn't change the
> <Directory> section that applied to the old DocumentRoot.
>
> This one is user-error.
>
> > http://braille.uwo.ca/pipermail/speakup/2004-May/027765.html
>
> This one is the same as above.
>
> > http://www.apache-httpd.com/msg/5497.html
>
> This one is a user who is unable to get UserDir support working.  This is a
> bug in our configuration files.
>
> > Up until this point I've been happy with Gentoo. I think it's a good
> > system, even if slightly quirky. I just don't think you want Gentoo to
> > be one of the distributions that gets mentioned by name in the Apache
> > Troubleshooting section. I know I don't.
>
> I couldn't find an 'Apache Troubleshooting' section on httpd.apache.org, and
> Google couldn't find any mention of Gentoo on there either.
>
> Please take up Chuck's offer, so that we can go through this in more detail.
>
> Best regards,
> Stu
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